Thid is for the guy that have been around for awhile. Take a job that you are doing now, figure your time that it takes to do that job! .................... When you started, how much time would it have taken then? How much time can a person expect to cut after awhile? I ask this question because of the bids I come up against. I try to keep my bids at what I believe they are worth (figuring $45+/hr) I keep coming up higher than my competition. I am starting to wonder if the $45+/hr number isn't very high because the guys I am losing customers too are coming in way below that! Many people talk of SCRUBS and LOWBALLERS, but lets tell the truth. Help educate me so I don't keep getting disgusted and then give a low bid. I don't look to put anyone out of business. If I see a job that is being done poorly and I need the work (which I do) I will persue it. I hear guys talking about "giving away" secrets on this site. There is a much stronger need to educate people (like me) than to try to hide what you are doing and what is a fair price for doing it. Whether we like it or not we are co-workers and if we all can learn how to co-exist the business' will be that much better for it.