Nutralime help???

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Jnamo, May 12, 2006.

  1. Jnamo

    Jnamo LawnSite Member
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    I have a client that would like me to put down some nutralime in her yard. She has a bag of this stuff from a few years ago and wants me to use it. From what I read on the bag it seems like something to be used with seed and not on an established lawn for greening purposes. I am in SE Michigan and her lawn is about 4500 sq ft. I just dethatched it last week and she has the usually lawn fert. guy coming once a month to spray. I think he came a few weeks ago. Any help is greatly appreciated-Thanks, Jeff:usflag:
     
  2. upidstay

    upidstay LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
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    I don't see why applying one bag of Nutra lime on an established lawn would hurt anything.
     
  3. Jnamo

    Jnamo LawnSite Member
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    Thanks, Jeff
     
  4. dallen

    dallen LawnSite Member
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    If this is the Nutralime manufactured by ASC Mineral Processing or Mineral Processing of Ohio, you have nothing to fear. This is simply a finely ground limestone pelletized with a moisture dissolvable binder. It is rare that an over application of limestone will cause pH to increase too high. Most soils east of the Mississippi river are well buffered with fairly high OM and CEC numbers, although there are pockets of sandy soil. BTW, I developed this product about 25 years ago. In 1981 I was going for my MBA and did a marketing research paper on pelletized limestone used in agriculture. The results of that paper convinced me where the opportunity was, and the rest is history.
     
  5. Jnamo

    Jnamo LawnSite Member
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    So does it really work? I have never used it or heard of it till the other day.
    Thanks for the info!
     
  6. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
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    dallen, since you are the developer of the nutralime, maybe you can explain just what it is about the product that is supposed to make nutralime better than regular bagged pulverized lime. I know of several people that will swear by nutralime, but I am one that will swear at it. When compareing the economics of the nutralime verses the powdered lime or ever normal pelletized lime, based on CEC and cost, and the amounts needed to balance my soil. Nutralime doesnt even come close. What am I missing?
     
  7. Grassmechanic

    Grassmechanic LawnSite Silver Member
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    Get a soil test before you add lime! You may be doing more harm than good by affecting the soil Ph! I'm in an area of Mi that NEVER needs lime. Every soil I've tested has high soil Ph. Yet, every now and then the homeowner will say they've always had their lawn limed:dizzy:
     
  8. TurfProSTL

    TurfProSTL LawnSite Senior Member
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    50 pounds of Nutralime spread over 4500 square feet would have little effect on the soil pH. Spread it and get it out of the lady's garage.....
     
  9. dallen

    dallen LawnSite Member
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    Limestone will affect soil pH by releasing calcium cations to displace hydrogen from soil colliods. Calcium will become available as the limestone particles dissolve. Limestone is a rock: rocks do not readily dissolve. Limestone must be ground into a fine powder for it to do any good. It all has to do with surface area and a finely ground material has a huge multiple of surface area relative to the same amount, by weight, of courser particles. Generally speaking, any particle too large to pass through a 60 mesh screen will never completely dissolve and further dissolution usually ceases after two years. Try to imagine spreading flour on a yard. Pretty messy! Now, pelletize the flour using a moisture dissolvable binder. The resulting product is much more convienient to use. While on a per bag or per ton basis, Nutralime is more expensive than regular limestone, it can actually cost less on a basis of "active material", or on a comparison of the super-fine, highly reactive particles per unit. Pelletized limestone has increased in popularity over the past 20 years for the exact same reason lawn care orgainizations have increased in popularity: CONVENIENCE. I attempted to send you a private email, but it wouldn't go through. Perhaps you might be interested in providing additonal assistance to the turf fertilizer project? I can be reached at <dallenascmfg@yahoo.com> or 217-474-0289. I would like to speak with you. Thanks, Dan
     
  10. Grassmechanic

    Grassmechanic LawnSite Silver Member
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    If he is in the same area as I am (soil Ph in the 7.8+ range), then yes, he will be contributing to a problem. If his soil is in the 6.5-7.5 range, he is OK. Why contribute to a potential problem just to "dispose" of a product is beyond me.:dizzy:
     

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