Wow, @ $ 129.00 a copy, Maybe I got something going. Since I opened my mouth, I guess I will share. Wife's birthday is tonight and you all lose to her. I should be able to set up and e mail out by the end of the weekend. I think you all will like it, and I am no freaking computer geek, just trying the most ecomomical ways to do business. It is a basic program set up in Excel to calculate known values at preset rates, ( both production and hourly units) based upon your own time measurents). I set it up in a couple of hours, but have only used it for a couple of bids so far. Should have done this last winter. There are no heavy macros involved, but basic knowledge of Excel will help you see the links and formula's. You can easily change values and rates. I will send it with my last bid in it, so you can play with it. Remember, you can see the formulas displayed and that tells you what came from where. I have 5 subjective values that have to be entered. This is basically the only place where you can screw up on poor estimating. If any body makes changes, let's share those also please. Good Luck.