organic vs. non organic fertilizer

Discussion in 'Fertilizer Application' started by grassmasterswilson, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
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    My main issue with this is being played out by my competitors as they speak. They offer an "Organic" program, but use Screamin' Gren (with conventional fert in it) and they include a spring Dimension application for crabgrass and other annual weeds.

    They say their program is 100% organic, but they still clean up weed escapes with 2,4-d, apply conventional ferts, and use conventional PRE products.

    Since we don't have a legal definition of organic lawn care, I guess people can apply whatever they want and call it whatever they want. They tell the customer they're organic and they're preventing crabgrass, and their invoice even tells the customer they used Dimension, but they don't tell the customer that Dimension is the same thing the non-organic guy uses, or that its NOT and "organic" product!

    I have too much integrity to tell my customers they're getting something "organic" is the whole program's not "organic."
     
  2. weapons of grass destruction

    weapons of grass destruction LawnSite Member
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    I use this stuff called jungle grow. it is chicken feather meal works well.
    scotts also makes called Scott natural,
    I have a guy I use who does mostly organic lawn spraying and he uses fish emulsion it is a liquid fertilizer .
    also milograntie is human waste.
     
  3. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Thanks guys. I'm not looking to go organic. I have heard a couple of local guys say how they have added 1-2 rounds of Fert with organics and have seen a noticeable difference in the soils

    Thought it might be worth adding. My problem I that at 1lb N/1000 it will get expensive
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  4. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    The organic community does not see it this way.
     
  5. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    First there is a legal definition of Organic Fertilizer and Pesticides.

    Next if you haven't figured it out by now I guess I will have to Tell you.

    A Pesticide License like all Chemicals license, is a License to legally Steal. The Organic Lier's can't compete with synthetics so they use them and Lie to the Customer. The worst case I have seen is a Company who had the Public School contract.

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  6. TX Easymoney

    TX Easymoney LawnSite Platinum Member
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    without them we wouldn't have tie dye and patchouli oil cologne :laugh:

    please tell me more about your experience with organic fertilizer post aeration, I advocate top dressing with compost after aeration, but have not spread organic fert. post aeration-
    thanks-
     
  7. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    The noticeable difference in the soils is about the most important aspect of the 'organic matter additions...
    What's the point of water soluable urea every 4 weeks when the stuff either leaches or volitizes as soon as it put down? or heavier ground = no air in the soil or CEC,,, just mud and NPK...
    its like living on cheese w/out fiber in the diet at all... :)
     
  8. turfmd101

    turfmd101 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What good is any nutrient app without extreme populations of microbial action. Especially to breakdown NPK's into nitrates. So their eatable.
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    Last edited: Sep 19, 2012
  9. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I'm not aware of any LCO claiming Screamin Green is part of a 100% organic program. Please PM with company names so I can verify your claims.
     
  10. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    No doubt there are scoundrels out there, both organic and chemical applicators. There are also upstanding honest LCO's doing organic and/or chemical applications.

    Here in NJ many LCO's are breaking the law when they apply pesticides on school grounds. The NJ School IPM law requires that cultural methods be used first and documented. Monitoring and keeping records are required before a decision can be made to use a pesticide. Once the decision is made the law states that first application must be with a product on the State's Low Impact pesticide list. The next application may be with a chemical pesticide, however then the school must notify all employees and parents that such an application will be made and on what date.
     

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