Organica 4 Step Lawn Care Program

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by 4-Seasons, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,720

    Good for you!
    Now, come try to sell topdressing to 100% of your prospects in southern Ohio.
    That won't happen, Skippy! :waving:

    In terms of folks being receptive to compost topdressing, much of the eastern seaboard, the South & the left coast are worlds apart from the general attitudes of those in the midwest & the eastern great plains.

    Folks will move around the country and exchange ideas, of course.
    And there are a few old school remnants, as well as some daring younger people who aren't afraid to go outside of the box, and / or pi&& of their neighbors by doing something radically 'different'! :laugh:
    So... there are exceptions.

    But around here, if you were to bring up the topic of 'organic lawn care' in a random conversation somewhere, almost no one would respond back to you that the 1st thing they thought of was... 'compost'.
    I've found that most folks around here think of "organics" as processed & (generally) over-priced bagged stuff like Milorganite, Plant-Tone & Holly-Tone.
    As far as I know, we are one of only 4 contractors in the Cincy / Dayton area that specialize in rotating applications of protein meals, and I'm fairly certain that at this point in time we're the only one that offers both meals & compost topdressing.

    So, we'll ultimately make our sales presentations based upon the customers' early responses, their specific interests, and any concerns they may bring up.
    When you factor in the stop charges for returning 4X - 5X a year to apply meals, vs. the cost of labor for topdressing (either 1X or 2X / year, depending upon budget), the stop charges & labor charges pretty much wash.

    Meals have typically won out over compost about 75-80% of the time because of the fact that people really like that we'll be back around those extra times to check over the lawn, IPM any stray weeds, check for critters, then meet with the customer & give an update if they desired.
    But lately, more & more folks have begun to go with something like a 1X /year (fall) compost, 2X early / late spring meal program.
    They are all interchangeable parts.

    So...As far as your comment... "maybe some of the best organic salesmen need to brush up on their selling skills"
    Bite me! :)
     
  2. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,720

    You've have made it your calling card to post whenever some 'other' organic program is being discussed, specifically for the purpose of continued brainwashing with your one-liner:
    "Compost does a soil good"

    Why, Kiril? :confused:
    Why must you portray yourself as such a control freak?
    Why must you insist that all Lawnsite organic forum readers follow your lead, like you're the Pied Piper of Organics?
    Why must you go out of your way to insinuate ON VIRTUALLY EVERY THREAD that you have the ONLY answer, and that all other organic solutions are inferior, as compared to yours?
     
  3. WannaBeOrganic

    WannaBeOrganic LawnSite Member
    Posts: 90

    This was a nice quiet thread till I bumped it to make the correction about the type of lime in some of Organica's products.

    I was talking to a guy that came over to give me a quote for aeration last fall. All his company did was mow, trim and aerate. Tried to convince me doing anything more like fertilizing or pesticides was a waste of money and dangerous since proper mowing and aerating would build a strong lawn that would take care of everything. Some of you remind me of that guy.

    I read this article about if just using compost is enough and they mention a study that using fertilizer and compost is better than compost alone. In the tests they used 1" of compost and still found it beneficial to use fertilizer. So how would a 1/4" topdressing of compost even be enough? Even if it was enough, it seems adding fertilizer would still be better.

    Who to trust? University researches or people that are selling a particular method/product?

    This is why I gave up looking for lawn care companies and am trying to do it myself and why my friends always seem to change companies frequently.

    Came back to turn off the email settings so this nonsense can stop coming into my mailbox.
     
  4. JDUtah

    JDUtah LawnSite Silver Member
    from UT
    Posts: 2,636

    I find compost blends work best...

    I agree that the arguing gets out of hand. I have been a culprit many times.

    If only we knew knew everything and were fully mature! lol
     
  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 18,298

    Say it again Marcos, make it your mantra.
     
  6. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,539

    [QUOTE=WannaBeOrganic; In the tests they used 1" of compost and still found it beneficial to use fertilizer. So how would a 1/4" topdressing of compost even be enough? Even if it was enough, it seems adding fertilizer would still be better.

    :rolleyes: Imagine that...
     
  7. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,539

    I'm thinking ginetic mutation but I'd have to see DNA test results to know for sure...
     
  8. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 18,298

    Imagine this Ted ...... how about NOT managing our landscapes like Ag and sports turf. Did you even read the opinion article?
     
  9. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,568

    Why can't you boys play nice?

    Hidden beneath the needless chest thumping you all have good information to share. Do a better job of controlling your testosterone, please. Otherwise, you're just boring.
     
  10. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 18,298

    I agree Barry. As usual, I get attacked for posting my thoughts. Heck, this time I didn't even have to bring up my opposition to feed grain fertilizers.
     

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