First, I love this site. I have learned so much from 'lurking" its not funny. More than my previous boss taught me in 12 years. My name is Neil. I am in the Waterford area. 30 years old this week. Many rough roads through the landscape/tree industry in my years. 12 years old: Paper Route, and 4-5 lawns in my hood. 14 years old: Wanted to run the big mowers, so I got a job. 18 years old: Lawn Jockey, running a crew, small company. 22 years old: Bored with mowing, get into scaping. Learn alot, but man is that hard work. 23 years old: Tree work crosses my path. My dream to work for myself is born. Spring of '02: Massive Ice storm in SE Michigan, I know tree work, and my paycheck buys me my first MS290. Presto self employed. Oct 9, 2006: My son is born, I grow up, my dreams, are now goals. Last season: After an *ss kicking snow season, (18 years old) boss offers me general manager of his now Im guessing $2m a year "lawn jockey" outfit, and I end up running the landscape crew that he can only bid. His times could NEVER be mine. Hes a lawn jockey, good at it. But I hope he finds this thread. Spring '09: Had a hicup with my liscence, didnt plow last year, tax return buys a mower, a whip, and $200 of homeade flyer copys. Here we are today. 37 accounts, to many "mow and gos", searching for my all inclusive contracts that I "want" in my plan. Im making money, but I learned the hard way this year, what $2 means. I will get the accounts I like into the right ballpark for next year, and tell the others, I no longer wish to keep them. Maybe one of you low ballers can have them, but I will never again be the "low baller". My new ads will weed my clients out. I am not cheap, I am good. Its late, Im going to bed, but I cant stop thinking work. I am full of questions, have three topics on paper to start in other threads. Im looking for networking, I will mow in ONE area, all other jobs that I lead into will be given to people I meet here in their AREA. Im a startup. Today I started my next obstacle. Do I bid these large jobs Ive been invited to? Or do I stay small enough to be "solo", but "pay" another guy on my level, for my level of work. Thanks for the info. If you want. My blackberry mail is OutdoorsUnlimitedMI@gmail.com MODS!!!!! Can I lock this? so i can form it, then open for comment???? My time is premium now, but I wanna start it. This will be the thread all of the ""big boys"" direct the ""hardworking newbies!!"". Thanks for the site again!