Patio question

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by mgarn, Apr 10, 2014.

  1. mgarn

    mgarn LawnSite Member
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    First time poster here been on the sight a ton and learned a lot by reading but figure ill probably learn more by participating. So I am building a paver patio and firepit in my back yard. Figured its much better to learn on my dime/property then a customers . My question is how many of you run a plate compactor over the top after you put sand on top to help the sand really get down in the joints. I have a few friends that do a lot of hardscaping who have been great for answering questions . But they all have given different answers on this one. The one I got that made the most sense to me was to lay all your pavers then put about a 1/4 of sand over everything and run a plate compactor over it . Then if I wanted to put in poly sand to go back in and sweep some out of the joints and apply the poly. I just wanted to get a few more opinions on what you have done and why. Thanks
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  2. Regal Landscapes

    Regal Landscapes LawnSite Member
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    I use the plate compactor on the pavers after sweeping sand into the joints and keep sweeping in sand and compacting until all the joints are filled.

    I use an old carpet or something similar to put under the compactor to protect the face of the pavers.

    If you are using poly sand I would just use poly sand for all of the joint and not part regular and part poly sand.
     
  3. xtreem3d

    xtreem3d LawnSite Senior Member
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    IMO..a piece carpet or urethane pad is a good idea..i learned the hard way after using a 7800lb CF compactor on some Holland stone...you ever try and pry out cracked Holland stone after going over it with that :hammerhead:
     
  4. mgarn

    mgarn LawnSite Member
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    How are you attaching the carpet or pad to the compactor?
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  5. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    been installing pavers for 18 years. And we have never ran a compacter over the pavers after applying the joint sand. And I have no intentions of ever doing so, because after 18 years....I still have not seen a reason why we should.

    I know others do run the compactor over the pavers after brushing in sand. But we don't.

    so, you may take that for what it's worth....
     
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  6. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    Well grandpa here, lol, sweeps sand in the joints first, then you want to put down a geo-textile just like what you would use behind retaining walls, it has some thickness to it. Keeps the sand down and prevents scarring of the pavers. After compaction, remove the tarp, sweep sand til joints are almost full, you want to see just the bevel. Don't over do the sand. Follow thru with recommended procedure that is on the bag. Some want just a misting of water, (techo, permacon sp. etc.) others want an iniital misting then a good soaking (envirobond)

    Put picnic table on patio after 1 day maybe less, then open beer and enjoy.
     
  7. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    Here is what happens when you don't use a tarp or rubber pad on the compactor. (Note: job from 6yrs ago) We use the tarps now.

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  8. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    yeah, so you wont have that problem if you do our method.
     
  9. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    I find it speeds up the process and the stone stays in place with the sand previous to compacting. I have compacted before sand install more than once, but I find the stones do shift around more than I'm comfortable with. It all boils down to the same thing. But... I think the sand before compacting is best. IMO

    In defense of DVS, it sure is easier to remove a broken stone before sand install.
     
  10. Regal Landscapes

    Regal Landscapes LawnSite Member
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    I had a few old carpets that were moved around while I walked the compactor around.

    You may also be able to bolt the carpet to some part of the plate on the compactor
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