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Pay per flush...

Discussion in 'Irrigation' started by FIMCO-MEISTER, Feb 17, 2009.

  1. Google brought this topic up for me. I did a search since the topic was in reference to AU and lo and behold MI has a pay per flush Township.


    Billing for watering events as opposed to gallons used. The billing and tax structure is going to be revamped on a lot of resources. States will switch to taxing by miles driven as opposed to gas tax. (Or maybe both YIKES!) Adding the drive tax on work will be here before long. Taxing internet sales is bound to happen soon as well. Have you looked at all the fees in your phone bill? Prepare for that on all purchases. I want to end the subsidies extended to western water users and stop unregulated ground water usage. The only water not billed or taxed inmo should be harvested or reclaimed water on the premise.
  2. Tom Tom

    Tom Tom LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Have heard that too. I just don't believe it will ever become reality. Probably just a suggested threat to rationalize an increased gas tax at the pump.
  3. DanaMac

    DanaMac LawnSite Fanatic
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    I may start using the trees outside to save money and water. Gotta be careful though of when the kids are walking to the school bus.

    Didn't New York already pass an internet purchase tax bill already? I heard they will also be charging tax on downloading movies AND adult movies.
  4. DanaMac

    DanaMac LawnSite Fanatic
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    I don't see how they could get away with no gas tax. What about all the equipment used off the roads with no odometer for a mileage tax?
  5. hoskm01

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    Well, the west is one step ahead of you there, too.

    It is illegal to harvest rainwater or snow in Colorado. Reclaimed water is also committed downriver.

    I think a per flush or event charge is a bit excessive. I do think water is too cheap, should probably cost triple what it is at now.. We pay about 2.10/kgal.

    as read via http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/natres/06702.html

    Water Rights Issues Concerning Rainwater Harvesting

    The diversion and use of rainwater is subject to the Constitution of the State of Colorado, state statutes, and case law. New Colorado residents should understand that water rights in Colorado are unique compared to other parts of the country. The use of water in this state and other western states is governed by what is known as the prior appropriation doctrine. This system of water allocation controls who uses how much water, the types of uses allowed, and when those waters can be used. A simplified way to explain this system is often referred to as the priority system or "first in time, first in right."

    An appropriation is made when an individual physically takes water from a stream or well (when legally available) and puts that water to beneficial use. The first person to appropriate water and apply that water to use has the first right to that water within a particular stream system. This person, after receiving a court decree verifying their priority status, then becomes the senior water right holder and that water right must be satisfied before any other water rights are filled. In Colorado, the State Engineer has the statutory obligation to protect all vested water rights. The process of allocating water to various water users is traditionally referred to as water rights administration, and is the responsibility of the Division of Water Resources.

    Of course, the appropriation system is much more complicated than described above. Some priorities on major stream systems in Colorado date back to the 1850's, and most of the stream systems have been over-appropriated, meaning that at some or all times of the year, a call for water even by a senior appropriator is not satisfied. Practically speaking, this means that in most river drainages, a person cannot divert rainwater and put it to a beneficial use without a plan for augmentation that replaces the stream depletions associated with that diversion. In most areas of Colorado, the only sure legal way to use rainwater is to direct roof gutter downspouts to drain to landscape areas you wish to water.

    It is recommended that before you develop a rainwater harvesting system you check with the Colorado Division of Water Resources and your local building, zoning, and environmental departments to determine what plumbing requirements, local restrictions, neighborhood covenants, or other regulations or guidelines might apply to your project. Rainwater catchments, distribution systems, and landscape holding areas must be located and used entirely within the property boundaries of the individual or entity building using the system. These systems must be maintained in an acceptable manner and not cause damage or interference to neighboring property. Standards for construction must be consistent with industry standards or as determined by the local administrative authority.
  6. hoskm01

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    Look at red diesel. No FHT or state tax there.
  7. Tom Tom

    Tom Tom LawnSite Bronze Member
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    exactly, just increase the state gas tax(instead of a mileage tax) at the pump to cover all those other vehicles, offroader's, maintenance vehicles, lawn mowers, out-of-state drivers, chainsaws to cut down all the beetle killed trees, etc.
  8. I'm going to look into that harvesting issue. That may be my fighting issue when I get there. Not sure any other state has that issue. Snow I can understand but water off your roof, rain and a/c condensation is fair game inmo. We'll see what happens when I get there and do a total review of the situation. Blocking a dam on the Poudre will also be an issue with me.

    Once I get to FC I'm going to shut the door and demand zero growth.
  9. I see an opening.

    If it can be shown RW used in toilets or landscape reduces the overall demand. I see potential here.
  10. DanaMac

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