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photonotice.com traffic tickets!

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by tony b, Jan 22, 2012.

  1. tony b

    tony b LawnSite Member
    Posts: 126

    I recently received a ticket in the mail. Employee was in a downtown area. I think we all know you approach a changing light and are faced with the stop or go dilema especially with a trailer full of equipment. It had the amount of time the light had been red while the trailer was still in the intersection and speed of the vehicle etc. It seemed within reason to me that if he had stopped the truck he would have been blocking the whole intersection. Anyway for my dilema, it's winter and paychecks are lower and this is an excellent employee, responsible crew leader etc so I guess I'm going to pay his ticket. My real complaint is that if "big brother" were really concerned about your wellbeing instead of F'n us out of a buck they would put a system in place where green lights flash for 3 seconds before they turn yellow. Many countries around the world do this and it works great and is way more cost effective. Oh well things could be worse, he could have been one car back and the guy in front of him lock the brakes to avoid a ticket and cause a wreck. Give me warm weather soon please.
     
  2. Exact Rototilling

    Exact Rototilling LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 5,354

    I’ve never been issued a photo ticket but I think it’s messed up in principal. :dizzy:

    I saw in Oregon State law enforcement publication years ago [family member] .....the following.

    Owner of car gets a photo of his car and speed tagged at such and such speed along with a fine for $120.

    Owner of car mails in a photo of $120 cash. State replies with a picture of handcuffs.

    So the boot clicking publication implied that the guy was a nut job.
     
  3. Dr.NewEarth

    Dr.NewEarth LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,405

    Sorry but Good employee or not, when he approaches an intersection he's obligated to slow down and proceed with caution and follow the rules of the road.

    Yellow light speed up is not a rule of the road.

    Also if an employee gets a traffic violation, it's up to them to pay for it.

    I think it teaches that irresponsibility is O.K. if the company pays the fine.

    We have traffic light cameras all over the place where I am. I pull truck loads and trailers and haven't had a violation in over 25 years. I also recommend that you have an employee handbook that states the employee will pay for traffic violations. This should be signed and a copy put in their file.
     
  4. tony b

    tony b LawnSite Member
    Posts: 126

    Wow, another know it all. I have the documentation for the fine and you don't. If you are 50' from the intersection with a crew cab and 20' trailer at 30mph I promise you the light will be red when the trailer clears and no way to stop to keep from running it. If yellow light speed up were the case I wouldn't't be paying. If you don't wan't to join in on the bitchfest I'm having about "big brother" trying to take another bite out of the little guys azz that's fine but don't go on about a model employee anyone on this site would die for being irresponsible. Your definitely not in the know on this one.
     
  5. grass-scapes

    grass-scapes LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,552

    IF the light turns red while the vehicle is already in the intersection, then there would have been no ticket. The vehicle would have had to ENTER the intersection while the light is red to get a ticket. The ticket you received would also have current speed of the vehicle. IF the vehicle was doing the speed limit, that indicates no attempt to slow the vehicle.

    Notice that IF is all caps. I am not accusing anyone of anything. You have defenses when going to court over a ticket given by a "robot" You have the right to face your accuser.

    Now, that being said, it is the employee's responsibility to take care of the ticket, not yours. He was driving, and as such he is fully responsible. If you want to take care of it for him, well, that's your right. I just feel it opens the door for more "irresponsible" behavior in the future.

    Thats just my opinion on the subject.
     
  6. Dr.NewEarth

    Dr.NewEarth LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,405

    If you pay the fine, your employees will never become responsible. Situations like this can have an effect on your company culture.

    Look into setting up an employee manual and employee contract.

    You can Keep with your B. Fest. This is the place for it. I knew my response would make you defensive.

    What I write on this site is also intended to give educated and experienced direction to others who may be in a similar situation and need to protect their companies interests.

    If you don't want people to say the obvious, then don't tell us about it dude. Peace Out.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2012
  7. tony b

    tony b LawnSite Member
    Posts: 126

    What may or may not be obvious is this is a scam. The pics I have show the truck half under the light when it was red. Innocent or guilty you have to pay court cost which makes up the majority of the ticket. This is what burns my azz. $95 ticket = $80 court cost and $15 fine. Whether I pay or someone else pays its not worth my 4 hrs. in court to save $15. I only say 4 hrs. because I know my luck and my case would be last. It's just a total bunch of crap either way. I understand what your saying about employees but it was explained this is a 1 time thing for the only other driver besides myself.
     
  8. grass-scapes

    grass-scapes LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,552

    I know of nowhere where if you win a court case you have to pay court costs. If its dismissed due to lack of evidence, you don't have to pay court costs.
     
  9. tony b

    tony b LawnSite Member
    Posts: 126

    In the great state of Ohio in city courts you pay court costs no matter what. I know because I have done it and trust me they give you tickets for anything and everything. On traffic stops I have never gotten off with a warning. Your best bet on city tickets is to plead not guilty and demand your case be transferred to county court because court costs are generally cheaper. Best of all the city gets very little money from the fine and really pissed off.
     
  10. Az Gardener

    Az Gardener LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,899

    Thoroughly check your state laws regarding the photo tickets. Here in the state of AZ you just have to appear and show them that its not you in the picture and your off the hook. You are not under any legal obligation to tell them who was driving the rig. Many here just ignore the tickets because if you don't appear they have to serve you. So if you can avoid the process server you avoid the ticket.
     

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