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Please check my mulch #'s

Discussion in 'Landscape Maintenance' started by GreenMonster, Apr 13, 2004.

  1. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
    Posts: 2,702

    Okay, I installed a bunch of mulch yesterday.

    I went to supplier, and had 8 yards of mulch dumped into my 1 ton dump

    Went to customer site and using a 6 cf wheelbarrow, made 43 trips with mulch.

    So.... 6cf * 43 = 258cf

    258/27 = 9.5yards

    Plus I still have a strong yard or so left in the truck.

    Do I need to figure compaction or anything else into my wheelbarrow numbers, or did I really do 9.5 yards of mulch???

    I'm doing the invoice and just want to make sure I'm charging the customer appropriately.

    Now, I have 6 1/2 foot sides on the one ton right now, so it will hold that much. Plus, the mulch was loaded with a 20 yard bucket, so not real exact measurements when I was loaded.
  2. MudslinginFX4

    MudslinginFX4 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,170

    Hmm... is 8 yards of mulch what you estimated to the customer? Is it also what you payed for? I think if you really used 9.5 yards but only paid for 8 yards I would split the difference with the customer, or keep the extra yard of mulch for another account.
  3. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
    Posts: 2,702

    yeah, 8 is what I paid for, but if I humped 9.5 yards by wheelbarrow, I should get the labor rate for 9.5 yards, right? But, I don't want to charge for 9.5 if I only did 8. I kind of assumed when I was loaded with 8, it would be pretty close to 8. Not so sure now.

    I wasn't excatly sure what the customer was going to want mulched. this is kind of an on-going project and we cleaned out a big area with old old lilacs. When we left for the day on Saturday, didn't get to confirm if they wanted it mulched or not. Sure enough, on monday, they did.

    If I didn't use it all, I was just gonna use it at home for my beds.
  4. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,898

    On our contract accounts, they pay for what we estimate. If it is estimated at 10 yards, and it only takes 8, they still pay for 10.

    Chances are, you had the wheelbarrow heaped a little, right? Figure you had 7 cubic feet per load, rather than 6....

    7*43= 301
    301/27= 11.1 yards...

    If you didn't have a contract specifying XX amount of mulch and XX amount of labor, and it was supposed to be a T&M job, then I would charge for the 9-11 yards that you used, plus however long it took times your hourly rate...

  5. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
    Posts: 2,702

    Yeah, it was T & M, so I want to charge what I used. I guess the fact that I supposedly had 8 yards loaded, spread 9.5, and still have a couple left, I doubted my numbers a little.

    But hey, the math don't lie, right?
  6. hortboy

    hortboy LawnSite Member
    Posts: 170

  7. dvmcmrhp52

    dvmcmrhp52 LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Pa.
    Posts: 4,205

    Let me just say this.........If you had 9.5 yards of mulch in a one ton truck you would have broken springs right now.
  8. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
    Posts: 2,702

    OK, then. what gives?
  9. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,898

    I've had much, much, much more than 10 yards in a Super Duty Ford (older Super Duty, prolly a 350), on many, many occasions.

    One truck in particular we could pack 16 yards onto on a regular basis, and still pull a skidsteer down the road. You knew it was loaded though, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to talk up Fords here!

    Point is, 10 yards is not too much for a one ton to handle...

  10. GeeVee

    GeeVee LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 421

    Right, Dan above is correct, you could haul a ten yard pile-

    But I gotta see this 20 yard loader.....

    Also, don't beat yourself up about the wheebarrow time or amount per - neither are accurate enough to go setting next years budget on-

    If I had a yard shop- I'd make sure you always got a smidge more, considering yer my power bill next month.

    Actually read a few replies and found the real problem.

    You ought not to be sweating the humping or the yardage- You cover XXX square feet with the appropriate amount of mulch for the area.

    If it was new, it would get XXX inches. If it was work of your own that you were top dressing it would maybe get X inch, if it was some neglected bullshit it- needed XX inches. Times the square footage and subtract a few square feet for the plant material.

    A yard a man an hour traveling sixty feet......

    What you need/get for a man or yard I don't know.

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