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Pool & Spa Rated Fixtures

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
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    Bob,

    What we have here in Va is called Virginia state wide code that ( believe it or not ) allows us to do some things differently than the NEC

    Will look at that 411.4 b
     
  2. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
    Posts: 187

    Bob ,

    Another good one to read.

    http://www.iaei.org/magazine/2004/11/low-voltage-lighting-systems-operating-at-30-volts-or-less/
     
  3. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
    Posts: 187

    James,

    This site may help you find what your looking for , also list many Lighting suppliers.

    http://www.swimmingpoolsetc.com/pool-fiber-optics.htm
     
  4. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    Well I have learned a few things today. Here in Canada any water feature that is over 1.5m in dimension must be considered as habitable and thus you must use both Pool & Spa transformers and fixtures. It is doable but now to find fixture options.

    The Hunza Pool Lite quote came in at an insane at an unbelievably high NET cost and I am not sure I can sell it as I need 12 units.

    I do not think that fiberoptics are viable for this project give the scale, depth and volume of water that I am trying to illuminate (600 Gallons per minute)

    So back to the original question: Do you know of any 12 volt, pool & spa rated fixtures? I am open to any ideas on this one.

    Thanks.
     
  5. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
    Posts: 187


    Here are some links that might help.

    http://www.swimmingpoolsetc.com/pool-fiber-optics.htm

    http://www.landlights.net/Underwater-Fixtures_c_11.html

    http://www.bronzelite.com/underwater/5000rgs.html

    http://www.inyopools.com/lights_inground.aspx

    The Savi Note LED lights are pretty nice from inyopools.
     
  6. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    Thanks for those links Richie... they led me to two options that may well just work out fine. I appreciate the help and owe you a couple of libations at the very least.

    Regards.
     
  7. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
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    Bob,

    I can top that one.

    NEC article 680.25 a. b. clearly says feeders for Pool sub Panels or Control Panels must be in conduit an 4 Insulated conductors from main service to Sub Panel.

    Well some 70 miles west from here the Inspectors aloud 4 conductor AL SER cable as the service to a Pool sub Panel which was Installed by another electrician in which we will not connect to the Pool sub Panel , if someone else wants to connect it have at it but I won't.

    Richie
     
  8. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
    Posts: 187

    James,

    I can help with NEC code Issues related to Pools-Spas-Saunas-Fountains, we go through it all the time with Inspectors.
     
  9. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    Thanks... apparently there are some significant differences between the NEC and the CEC.

    Question, using a 12Volt P&S rated fixture, using SJOW lead wire and SJOW branch circuit wire, would it be acceptable to make inline connections using a CSA device like the ACE connector or must all connections be made inside a "waterproof" junction box? And can that junction box, if necessary be submerged or must it be out of the water feature water?

    Thanks
     
  10. Richie@

    Richie@ LawnSite Member
    Posts: 187

    Connections can be made within an approved brass - threaded entry box under water an filled with approved epoxy compound , wire nut your connections an rubber tape it before you mix an poor in the epoxy,and of course leave the cord to the fixture long enough to remove for serving the fixture.
     

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