Preventative apps for ornamentals

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Williams Services, Feb 3, 2005.

  1. Williams Services

    Williams Services LawnSite Senior Member
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    Has anyone used Merit 2.5G with any success as a preventative app, on the very light side of application? We gave an estimate for treating 30 or so azaleas, and it came out to 120 per app, which I think scared the (potential) customer off. What I was wondring is, since it was to be a preventative app anyway (lace bugs will come), would it be a sound practice to apply, instead of the labelled rate, a much lighter rate, to make the azaleas less palatable to the lace bugs, so that they move on to the next target?

    If not, is there another systemic herbicide that could be used for ornamentals? I know Talstar stays in soil about 30 days, but isn't taken up by the plant, so that takes that out. What other options are there, or will this idea work?
     
  2. Premo Services

    Premo Services LawnSite Bronze Member
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  3. Green Dreams

    Green Dreams LawnSite Senior Member
    from Texas
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    them systemic herbicides will definitely keep the lacebugs off...lol.

    This is a good question for a thread...

    Thanks
     
  4. Williams Services

    Williams Services LawnSite Senior Member
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    Please, oh please pardon me, you great repository of helpful green industry knowledge. Your post was oh so helpful, and, since you make no mistakes, perhaps I will learn much from you, once I decrypt your post, as I'm sure thetheology contained therein has much that is hard to understand.

    Premo, thanks! I am familiar with those sites, haven't had much luck but haven't dug too hard ... I was hoping the pros here could help me on the initial tip-off.

    Anyone else with helpful insight to these systemic PESTicides? :p
     
  5. Green Dreams

    Green Dreams LawnSite Senior Member
    from Texas
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    Sorry if I offended you. I was just funnin' you. I make plenty o'errors, believe me. I don't care what a book/label says, experience with a product is where its at.

    Your question about systemic insecticides is a good one. I hope someone can answer it. Acephate seemed to work okay for me..
     
  6. Williams Services

    Williams Services LawnSite Senior Member
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    Green Dreams,
    You didn't offend me, I was just looking for helpful advice, which yours wasn't - funny though it was. Have you used the acephate on lace bugs in a preventative fashion? What trade names have you used?
     
  7. Neal Wolbert

    Neal Wolbert LawnSite Senior Member
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    Williams, Are you adverse to spraying Merit at first sign of Lacebug? If not, probably one or two sprays each year will do the trick for pennies an app. Injection rates vary, i.e. adelgid maintenance rate is 1/2 the high rate after the first full rate soil injection. I'd check with the product rep. for particulars but I know it is legal in Washington to use less than label rates. Many times it is the best practice. Neal
     
  8. Williams Services

    Williams Services LawnSite Senior Member
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    Neal,
    Nah, we wouldn't be averse to that at all ... we're just trying to avoid the appearance of them. I know it's kinda like trying to hold back the wind, but it's a noble goal, you have to admit. :)
     
  9. Neal Wolbert

    Neal Wolbert LawnSite Senior Member
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    You do not, and should not have to hide what you know to be the best choice for your customers. You can treat azaleas and a zillion other plants safely and effectively by spraying modern products that do not pose an unreasonable risk. Why should we as an industry take a cowards role (nothing personal) and hide what we know will be the best choice for our customers just because our critics trumpet lies about us and the industry? Education, information, integrity, experience and a large dose of courage are needed to re-establish a credible presence in the mind of the consumer. We either go that way or go the highway as they say, but we do have a choice. I believe you and all of us who know the facts about the products available to us, with confidence in our methods of application and science on our side, can begin to erode the lie the public has been force fed, namely, that all sprays are poison and dangerous. But we sure can't do it by hiding or playing the great coverup we see happening today. My company serves a community that is as hot as it gets in the industry relating to anti-pesticide issues, but we have a large clientle that are smart, and desireous of taking advantage of modern, proven, effective and safe time and money saving treatments for the care of their expensive landscapes. They are willing students eager to learn and appreciate being told the truth without emotional manipulation. Smart people make the right decisions when they are told the truth. People get smart by learning the facts from people they trust. That should be you when it comes to your business. Start quoting reliable scientific sources in written form and get it out to your customers. Check out the RISE website and link to that on your invoices or on your website. It is a great tool! There are many Universities that have teaching websites that could help you out too. Get busy...learn...teach and move ahead with confidence. Okay, I'll get off my soap box for now, but this is one of my favorite subjects as you can tell. Please forgive me if I have stepped on your toes, that is not my intention. I just want to encourage you and help you succeed. I have lots of other ideas if you want to talk further. Thanks, Neal
     
  10. Williams Services

    Williams Services LawnSite Senior Member
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    Neal,
    I think you got up on my soap box, not yours. Well said, very well said. However, nobody's hiding, I was just trying to prevent the appearance of lace bugs, that's all. I do appreciate what you had to say, though, and please, don't hesitate to say it again. :D
     

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