Price of Fuel: Is Diesel Ever Going to be Worth it Again?

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by jbell36, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. 93Chevy

    93Chevy LawnSite Fanatic
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    I'm definitely not buying a new diesel...early 2000's Duramax is what I'm looking for. I'd like to do some work to it, but not too much.
     
  2. jbell36

    jbell36 LawnSite Bronze Member
    from KANSAS
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    when i was looking at chevy's i was looking at the LBZ...that engine seemed to get the best feedback
     
  3. cutn4alivin

    cutn4alivin LawnSite Member
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    The costs come down to vehicle manufacturing and government. The government has more control then ever. And now with a vested interest in manufacturing costs and sales. Gas vehicles offer a higher profitability range then diesel.
     
  4. JDGlandscape

    JDGlandscape LawnSite Senior Member
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    I dont know about you guys but I have both ( F350 7.3 and F250 5.4), and when loaded up with my 7x 16 HD dual axle trailer with two 52" ZTRs two back pack blowers, two trimmers, miscellaneous tools, couple cans of gas, two yards of grass clippings in the bed and myself and two others in the truck, the gas engine seems like a safety hazard pulling out onto roads.
    It is ridiculous how bad it is on pulling onto 55 mph roads and then going up long hills on a 55 mph road it will drop to like 30 mph at 3900 rpms. and to top off how annoying that is, It would get 7ish mpgs. Very aggravating. and that was with both a chevy 6.0 gas that i borrowed for a week and the ford 5.4. The chevy seemed to have a tiny bit more power than the ford 5.4 but worse mileage. Ford around 8 and chevy around 7.

    Now take my ford 7.3. Wow, I never want a gas engine again. Soo much more power, can actually pull out onto a road without needing a mile of room to get up to speed. and with the same exact load, I get 14.5-15 mpg. So about DOUBLE the fuel cost for the gas even with the fuel price difference.
    I wont even get into the fuel savings for plowing. It is even more with a 9 v plow and 2 yards of sand. I dont even feel safe in the gas engine with all that weight

    I am not trying to tell people what is best for them, BUT for my business and what I do, the diesel is much much better. and yearly costs INCLUDING all the extra maintenance people think is so bad on a diesel, I save and make up for having the deisel.. And if i go to sell them, the 7.3 holds its value way more than the gas engine
     
  5. willowick

    willowick LawnSite Member
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    My 2006 Dodge 2500 diesel is a freight train. I've never been lacking power with the 5.9. Mileage is about 14 pulling ~9K. Yeah it is loud and generally unrefined but does the job.
    The sound system sucks and the seats stain easily. The dashboard is made out of recycled McDonalds coffee cups, I think.

    Other than that, it is great utility-wise.
     
  6. BrandonV

    BrandonV LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I just went through this conundrum with my needing to decide on a diesel super lawn truck or a gas. I opted for the diesel because after I did the math I'd break even (gas isuzu vs diesel mitfuso) at about 60k miles at current prices with no repairs. But this is a 8mpg gas vs a 15mpg diesel. I think in the world of pickups now the diesels might not make the decision so easy.
     
  7. Kelly's Landscaping

    Kelly's Landscaping LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Just filled up mine the other day cost me 172 dollars at the pump but in fairness I wasn't empty my tanks a 52 gal so it can hit 200 dollars to fill it. But is it worth it well the price of diesel was 4.29 a gallon and the reg gas same station was 4.15 so at first glance the diesel seems to cost more. But the fuel economy is huge my ram 4500 weighs 9000 pounds empty add in 2-3000 pounds of grass and my 20ft trailer loaded and I am some where around 17000 pounds the gvw is 25900 so I am a heavy weight. But I get 10-12 mpg with that load on some very hilly terrain a gas truck at that weigh would be getting 5-7 mpg. So my fuel savings is approaching 50% so 2 dollars a gallon savings over gas and I am getting my money back in 3000-4000 gallons. Or about 3-5 years but the trucks last significantly longer the gas engine trucks. And the resale value on diesels is always 5000 plus more sometimes 10000.

    So I do not see the issue your making yes the good old days of being more fuel efficient while at the same time spending 40 cents a gallon less are over. But even at to days prices its still beneficial to have the diesel. Plus there is a lot of talk about converting a large portion of the 18 wheeler fleets to natural gas since that's cheaper now. If that happened then the demand for diesel decreases and thus the price of us small diesel trucks will come down so says supply and demand.
     
  8. Kelly's Landscaping

    Kelly's Landscaping LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I took my truck up to your state last Sept to a summer camp staff reunion for the 80s don't ask.

    Anyways your roads are sick you are not kidding about the speed limits up there I was on 16 and was amazed at the speed limits for a road with no center divide. Where talking 100 mph head on collisions if to cars hit at speed. But my trip went well averaged 17.1 mpg round trip from milford ct to west ossipee nh. And when you consider what I was driving that is unreal. Think I ended up getting 900 miles on that tank of diesel.
     
  9. JCLawn and more

    JCLawn and more LawnSite Fanatic
    from MI
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    Now with my 1500 dodge pulling with my mowers that weigh 1800 a piece with a 2200lbs trailer I am lucky to get 6 mpg. I got 170 miles on a 30 gallon tank. I can only do 70 mph on the freeway with my foot to the floor. I want a diesel bad lol
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  10. JDGlandscape

    JDGlandscape LawnSite Senior Member
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    i know the ossipee area very well, I have family there and go camping and snowmobiling quite a bit up there. I am from the concord area and we have speed limits on roads with no middle dividers that are 55mph and people go 65-70 the whole way. it is not fun pulling onto those loaded up with a gas engine lol I am actually from the concord area.
     

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