Progressive 501 Wire Locator??

Discussion in 'Irrigation' started by aquamtic, Nov 29, 2004.

  1. aquamtic

    aquamtic LawnSite Senior Member
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    Wondering how many people have found this model useful for locating high volt wireing and dead wires. I already have the 521 for locating valves

    Is the 501 a worth while tool for out trade???
     
  2. jerryrwm

    jerryrwm LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Not sure what the benefit would be unless you are looking for high voltage lines for some reason. Any owner installed 120v lines I can find just fine with the Ditch Witch. The main electrical lines are usually over 18" deep and they have been located by the utility company before we start digging. That's law in Texas - you have to call for utility locates 48 hrs in advance of any digging.

    And as far as dead wires, you could use the 521 for that.
     
  3. aquamtic

    aquamtic LawnSite Senior Member
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    High VOltage is exactly what I want to find at times. I am looking for homeowner installed lines at times that run to a lamp post or a garage or fountain, pool. Dig Safe will only find recorded untilities here in our area-

    Homeowners will of course not know how the lines run and many times say its atleast 18" deep just for the DW to cut it around 6-8 deep.

    I had one customer call me up 2 months later to tell me we cut his line that ran to a shed way out back. We know longer could find our cut lines and searched for 3 hrs for the line route then the break.
     
  4. Planter

    Planter LawnSite Member
    from Utah
    Posts: 214

    I have one and it works very well. I use it with a pulser to find breaks. I use the 501 to locate the path and the pulser to locate any nicks or breaks. Works great on gas lines and owner installed electric.
     
  5. Mdirrigation

    Mdirrigation LawnSite Silver Member
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    You may want to add a clause to your contract stating that any buried lines , pipes etc are the homeowners responsiblity to locate and arent your responsibility . I have cut thru lots of things over the years and never had to fix. Unless I get paid
     
  6. aquamtic

    aquamtic LawnSite Senior Member
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    MD _ I do have such a clause but this is where I will offer the option as an extra charge to locate the wire. Many people have no clue where the wire is that runs to the pool that was there when they bought the house.

    I did have one customer almost back out of a 4,000.00 install because he thought we were going to make some damages to electric wiring. The property was doable enough that we told he we would run our lines around as much as possible and that electric wire should be atleast 18" deep anyway.

    We took a chance and kept an eye to see if power was cut so we can mark and repair.

    I feel more comfortable having the tools and options - This will make us just look more professional ( at a cost of course)
     
  7. Mdirrigation

    Mdirrigation LawnSite Silver Member
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    Be careful charging to locate their wires , if you are wrong it can be expensive . I have walked away from jobs like that many times . Remember if you break a like after you located it it is your responsibility to pay for the repair , not have the repair done . Similar to a car accident you hit someones car you dont fix it you just foot the bill
     
  8. DGI

    DGI LawnSite Member
    from SE Mich
    Posts: 173

    I too have a clause that excludes anything not marked by MISSDIG but will generally assume small risks and fix them if I screw up. That's not to say I will take on the burden for things I had no clue about. If they tell me that it's there, I'm pretty much going to assume the liability on it if I get the job.

    Subsite 75R can find pretty much anything if you are looking. Costs more but is extremely versatile.

    We're looking into getting a progressive PE2003. Anyone have any experience with those?

    aquamtic, if you know which wires you are looking for, why not just cut off the power and use your 521 to trace?
     
  9. ed2hess

    ed2hess LawnSite Fanatic
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    I have used the 521 to locate valves and to find the general path of irrigation wiring. This summer I tried to find a break that I had in the ground loop with the 521. I couldn't find the break with the locator. I used an ole Indian trick of running a new gnd wire between valve boxes until it worked. Once it worked then I knew it was between the last valve boxes and then I DUG! And advise on how to hook or use the locator for breaks?
     
  10. jerryrwm

    jerryrwm LawnSite Bronze Member
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    The 521 will find the actual wire path and it will find breaks in the wires if they are complete breaks. If you have a "common" loop (it is not the ground wire - that is a different animal altogether) you will need to disconnect one end otherwise the 521 will feed from the other end. Not sure why there is a loop in the common wire tho'.

    Once you have the wire path located and ,arked, you can find the break, nick, or damaged wire with the 2003 Pulsar. It will put you right on the problem.

    Jerry
     

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