I don't know they were ever lowballing with the PGP. I think they were lowballing everything else though. That's how they got me to switch. My local Hunter rep. got me to switch over from RB to Hunter in 2005. We switched for about a year. I installed mostly Hunter stuff for about a year. And the BIG reason they got me to switch was the OVERALL cost of installing a Hunter system (valves, heads, controllers, etc.) was saving me about $100-$300 on every system I was installing. I remember the Hunter rep. typing me up a price comparison at one of my local distributors and showing me how much I'd save on each install and telling me, "You'll save enough each year to take a nice trip with the family in the winter." That was enticing, for sure. So we switched. And my project manager was PISSED. He hated almost all Hunter products except the PGJs and PGMs. So he was ticked that I was making him install stuff that he considered crap. But we switched anyway because of cost savings. Pretty quickly, we noticed a lot of problems with leaky seals on spray heads. Also valve problems. After a little less than a year, RB snagged us back over to their side and I've never looked back. But I vividly remember switching to the dark side for a while - all because of their talk about saving me money. So yah, they were lowballing. And I fell for it. Now to be fair, Hunter has fixed a lot of the problems I used to have with their products. But it's kinda too late for me. I am sold on RB now and not planning to switch any time soon.