Roll over bar

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by bmxerss, Jun 20, 2013.

  1. weeze

    weeze LawnSite Fanatic
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    i don't think anyone said it can't happen. it's just not very likely as long as you know the limits of the machine you are operating and drive it with common sense.

    i've seen alot of guys mow and they always look like they are in a hurry and driving reckless and so forth. it's the same way when people drive cars that way. they are the ones most likely to have a wreck of some type. if you drive defensively and aren't trying to mow hills that you know are too steep and such then you shouldn't have to worry about it. common sense goes a long way. it's just most people these days no longer have much of it. :laugh:
     
  2. hi_speedreed

    hi_speedreed LawnSite Senior Member
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    These two posts question the validity of a roll over. I posted many links to roll overs causing death. Not all of these were from operating on a hill. In fact one of the pictures show a flat operating zone next to a retaining wall. The point was to show it can and does happen. It does not have to happen on a hill. If one wheel hits mud and suddenly only one wheel has traction, it will cause you to pivot on the wheel that lost traction. I would bet that is the cause of the accidents where the person was operating on a flat surface and went over a retaining wall.
     
  3. orangemower

    orangemower LawnSite Silver Member
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    I see this as going past the comfort zone. Even on a flat surface, I'd be using a wb to trim the edge of the wall.
     
  4. farmmower

    farmmower LawnSite Member
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    Having been a paramedic years ago and in the business for 30 years I would say many accidents that don't involve substance abuse are well meaning, intense people who are particular about their job and try to get a little closer to whatever "edge" their profession entails.

    I read the posted accident accounts here and now that I am using my own 61" commercial mower I can see how I can tend to get closer to edges each time. I do use the ROPES and seat belt near my ditches/slopes. I just have to remind myself that if I get concerned about a rollover then I'm too steep, too close to edge, etc. It is common sense but some people have a tendency to take seemingly small risks. It might even be an employee who tries to impress the boss by how little he leaves for the trimmer, etc.
     
  5. farmmower

    farmmower LawnSite Member
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    One other example of how accidents can happen is a case in CO a few years back. A surgeon was using his snowblower when it became jammed with wet snow. His after action report stated that as he reached into the machine to clear the snow he realized his mistake immediately but it was too late and he lost some fingers. Probably had to change specialties. If we are alive and could go back and look at our mistakes whether driving a car or any other potentially dangerous activity we would probably say that was a dumb mistake but smart and experienced people still make them. Like one of the posts said, even though he had never had a car accident he still wears his seat belt. We are humans and not programmed with minuses and zeroes.
     
  6. twomancrew

    twomancrew LawnSite Senior Member
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    Toro gave me a free ROPS for the old Z200, GAVE it to me. I hated it and never used it. I had that mower for years first and the change of balance really threw me off. Then last year I bought a new Toro Z and it came with the ROPS. I took it off and a week later a farmer rolled his Z into a ditch as he was mowing along his driveway. Killed him. I just ggogled "mow roll death" and added the name of our local paper to that and I found 4 since 2007 with that crappy search including the man last year. Anyway I wear mine. It is a hassle to put up and down but I feel it is time well spent. Also I totally though that it threw the weight off on the old Z200. Well I piut the ROPS on it last year as well and since I was learning the new Toro the old Z200 didn't seem as bad as I remembered. I say give yourself a chance and put it on, wear the seat belt. If you wanna compare balls then bring your Z and we go find a hill and hang out for awhile. I got balls of steel FYI. Probably got rocks for brains tho:hammerhead:
     
  7. dhardin53

    dhardin53 LawnSite Senior Member
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    I understand and believe ROP are a great life saving device. Having said that I personally feel it gives the operator a heightened if not false sense of security. The feeling of being protected will cause too many people to take chances one would not normally.

    Driving a ZTR off the trailer with the top bar folded back for even the flattest property is just another pet pev of mine. Also not wearing a seat belt if you has a ROP or without. If you buy or this type if safety devices and are not religiously in daily use, then what is the point. Accidents will and can happen all the time any where. Ok it is smart to stop and put up the ROP and click the seat belt when your working on hills and around dangers obstacles. But your only decreasing your odds in a small degree. I feel I take the time not having ROP or set belts to deliberately NOT put myself near a potential accident. But I see guys with ROPs do things I would never do. (even if I had ROP).

    I would like to here some real life stories of ROP getting in the way and causing damage, fiscal and financial when using ROP. I know of 3 guy locally that use to love there ROP till they had to fix what they have destroyed with them.
     
  8. farmmower

    farmmower LawnSite Member
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    It has caused me to trim a few low lying branches that could be broken off by the ROPEs or watch how I approach certain trees.
     
  9. Snyder's Lawn Inc

    Snyder's Lawn Inc LawnSite Platinum Member
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    My City pool has a water line to fill the pool and it runs above ground between 2 hills
    City owned Dixie Choppers and the guy was going at least full speed with ROP up and stuck under it . They had cut the ROP off to get mower unstuck.
     
  10. Kelly's Landscaping

    Kelly's Landscaping LawnSite Platinum Member
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