Safe not Organic

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by ecoguy, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. ChiTownAmateur

    ChiTownAmateur LawnSite Senior Member
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    Organic is a term with very clear and defined limits, even though it has been sort of hijacked as a buzzword these days to mean many other things.

    Safe however is a relative term and is used generally to mean "not thought to harm life forms". However as everyone well knows, what was once considered "safe" is often later determined to be far from it, such as asbestos, DDT or Diaznon.
     
  2. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Chi,

    There are many different interpretations of the term organic, it's not really that clear and defined.

    As you stated, safe is a relative term. These sites show vastly different viewpoints on the safety of pesticides.

    http://www.beyondpesticides.org/
    http://www.pestfacts.org/
     
  3. ICT Bill

    ICT Bill LawnSite Platinum Member
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    no the thinking of the label police, I'm sorry the department of Ag is that implying "safe" on the label means that other manufacturers are not "safe" is what I have been told

    it seems like a circular argument to me
     
  4. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    We are the intelligent lawncare alternative...
    The Ag Dept. thinks everyone else's stupidity is implied...

    Stupid B'crats...
     
  5. humble1

    humble1 LawnSite Silver Member
    from MA
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    Uranium is organic and asbestos is all natural.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  6. ICT Bill

    ICT Bill LawnSite Platinum Member
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    There are no guidelines for "organic" in landscaping, there is no government body like the USDA or EPA that regulate which ingredients are acceptable or not. We base our "organic" ingredients on the EPA standard of "minimum risk pesticides", these are typically plant based products like cedarwood oil, garlic, castor oil, etc. and the USDA list of organic ingredients use in organic farming

    for now that is the best you can do
     
  7. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    I still blieve that common sense has more validity that gov't regs anyways... even organic produced is loaded with pesticides because they grow it next to aerial sprayed fields... sometimes right in the middle of these fields, but by the 'letter ofthe law', they're organic...
     
  8. bradtf

    bradtf LawnSite Member
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    Up here, to be certified organic, all the neighboring properties have to sign agreements to be organic and not spray as well. My buddy has a 5 acres surrounded by a certified organic farm that grows feed/hay… he was asked to sign off saying he wouldn’t spray his fields so that the neighbors farm could get organic status.
     
  9. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Not a big fan of 'certification' by bureaucrats, but that is not a bad policy... I always relate the story of 5A. of 'organic' carrots surrounded by 500A. of potatoes... and how those carrots were the most contaminted carrots in the store, because doing anything other than subjecting them to what potatoes goes through is an improvement...
     
  10. ChiTownAmateur

    ChiTownAmateur LawnSite Senior Member
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    My 2c again is that organic simply means "from life" and is not a term that should be used in trying to describe what I think is better termed "natural"

    Over the eons that people have grown crops and looking back people view what they did as "natural", because they didn't have "unnaturally occuring substances" to use such as pesticides, herbicides, synthetic ferts etc.

    When ICT bill makes compost tea, he is farming a naturally occuring organism and multiplying it, then amending it into soil which is a "natural" farming method that harkens back to the old days...it's something that could and was probably done for centuries by some. Whether they used compost...or compost tea is not really the point. The fact that is occurs NATURALLY and uses ORGANIC material...live organisms.

    In all honesty what is usually meant is simply that it is grown using the old techniques as far as everything EXCEPT the machinery used. The machinery simply moves or modifies the turf, soil or other elements, it does not change them or alter them.
     

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