scag or Kubota?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing Equipment' started by arl250, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. LandFakers

    LandFakers LawnSite Fanatic
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    Well the TT is a great mower, but you were concerned about fuel and the Vanguard wont help you anywhere there.
     
  2. arl250

    arl250 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Yea that's my only issue with that engine... but i also read on here that the vanguard isn't to bad because it has so much power it never has to work hard
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  3. LandFakers

    LandFakers LawnSite Fanatic
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    From what I can tell, its about 2 gph no matter what your cutting... Long or short it is very linear in its fuel consumption
     
  4. arl250

    arl250 LawnSite Senior Member
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    One guy posted on here that he was getting1.4 gph which was hard to believe but ive never had one so idk
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  5. arl250

    arl250 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Any more thoughts on these mowers? Do you think there is going to be a big difference in productivity between the 61 in tt and the zd221 with a 54in deck?
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  6. JCLawn and more

    JCLawn and more LawnSite Fanatic
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    The tt is going to beat the zd221 with no question but the zd326 or the zd331 is going to beat the tt in productivity. I have a zd326 and no issues for 750hrs. Its a good 4000+ hrs machine. I got mine for $12,800 a tt diesel will set you back closer to 18 big ones and my kubota never sucks more than 1gph
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  7. arl250

    arl250 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Do you have any issues with weight and it sticking to hillsides?
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  8. JCLawn and more

    JCLawn and more LawnSite Fanatic
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    It will stick to a hill as much as the turf will hold. It won't slide on the grass but I have had turf give away under my tires on hills that are over 60 degree hills and getting to the feeling of a roll over. Rutting is not worse than any other mower because the foot print is so large.
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  9. djagusch

    djagusch LawnSite Platinum Member
    from MN
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    Ask yourself. Is fuel a larger concern than labor costs?

    Your fuel usage for the TT w/35hp briggs is on ave 1.8 gal/hr. Buddy has a zd331 w/ 60" deck gets .9gal/hr. So about half the amount of fuel but at a greater cost (in mn its 25% right now). $5.40 gas to $3.60 desiel currently. $1.40/hr difference.

    54" deck is 11.5% smaller than a 61". It's a larger percentage after you figure cut width after overlap while the 7" deck size difference stays the same.

    Let's say you have a employee costing you on ave $15/hr ($11/hr plus fica/ work comp/etc). 11% of that is $1.65/hr

    You also need to look at the cost of running the mower and don't want to calculate it out. But my buddy with the zd331 always said kubota parts are not as unversal as scag/exmark/toro. Always kubota parts very little aftermarket parts on them.

    I know my fuel for mowers/handhelds/etc is less than 3% of sales. I would think there would be larger savings somewhere else in your operation.

    Fyi buddy with the zd331 (actually had 3) was running kubotas for over 10yrs and all 3trucks where diesel til this year. Sold a kubota to try a exmark and is happy. Traded a 07 cummings for 2012 hemi and is happy there also.

    If everything in operations is super good. Look at propane as a way to save money on fuel. $1.40/gal, uses a ratio of 1.3 propane to 1 gas.
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  10. arl250

    arl250 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Very good point made here... thanks everyone for all of your input still not sure which I'm going to choose I'm planning to demo them both but I believe now I'm leaning toward the tt
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