Scag Turf Tiger advice needed!

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Marshbrook, Sep 19, 2008.

  1. Marshbrook

    Marshbrook LawnSite Member
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    I am considering buying a new 2008 Scag Turf Tiger that is fitted with a Kubota 25 hp.diesel engine and a 61" mowing deck, but I am wondering if the Cat diesel would be a better choice, being it is rated at 28 hp. We have hilly terrain where I live, but not real steep! The one thing holding me back from stepping up to the Cat diesel is there is a major difference in cost, there is currently a promotion running on the one with the Kubota engine which makes it about $4000 cheaper than the one with the Cat engine! But we all know that cheaper isn't always better! So my question is this, is the extra difference in cost worth it to go for the Cat engine, or does the smaller Kubota engine have more than enough power for the 61" deck? This is our first ZTR, so any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
     
  2. Hunter73

    Hunter73 LawnSite Member
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    I personally would save the $4K and go with the 25hp diesel. The 28hp would be nice to have with the 61" deck, but it wouldn't be worth the extra $4K. IMO.
     
  3. nosparkplugs

    nosparkplugs LawnSite Gold Member
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    Scag is no longer using kubota, and liquidating their Kubota diesel units at or below cost; because Kubota has become a PITA (keeping tight reigns limited stock on their engine parts now). I have posted this before, and many others have called BS; however it came dirrectly from the Scag dealer. Kubota has their own ZTR line, and keep their dealers stocked with parts, first then Scag so many Kubota powered Scags will be in the shop longer waiting for parts. Cat has pledged to notch service, has no loyatly to any ZTR manufacture, and at this time only makes powerplants for ZTR's. Scag is over priced for that yellow Cat paint, look at the Bad Boy AOS Cat diesel line you can get the 4 banger 35hp Cat diesel for $12,975 way more Mower for the money.
     
  4. Mike Blevins

    Mike Blevins LawnSite Bronze Member
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    If I had to have the diesel I would get the Kubota. With $4000 difference that is a no brainer. I'm not going to turn this into another BAdboy Scag thread. Just do this --------- Go and look at a three year old Scag(any motor and deck cobo) and a thre year old Badboy(any engine and deck combo) and see which one has the best resale value.
     
  5. JShe8918

    JShe8918 LawnSite Senior Member
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    I had the same problem deciding between the scag 28 cat, scag 25 bota, and the scag 27 kawasaki lc. The dealer told me that the bota's exhaust is funny about leaving a more distinct odor and isn't good about expelling them very far out. The cat is much better in that way plus you get a little more hp for the cat. Look at all of the skid steers out here going on 4 and 5 thousand hours with out any problems that is a good enough track record for me. I still ended up with the gasser and i kick myself in the ass all the time about it. Don't make a mistake go CAT....d
     
  6. nosparkplugs

    nosparkplugs LawnSite Gold Member
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    Lets talk resale value, with a struggling economy everyone has ZTR for sale, people are looking for a bargin. I would not want to purchase a used ZTR period, not even my own. Most folks who invest in a diesel model ZTR will keep it until the hour meter is in the 4 or 5 digits, and or needed consumables replaced. I see many worn out Scags for sale, and they need lots of work, but their bargins. I even know a Local LCO, who opted for a used Turf Tiger LC gasburner, and it needed some work but it was cheap. The dollar is weak, and so our economy has changed, resale values are not what they use to be, IMO purchase new wear it out.

    I myself have owned new Scags ran them for two seasons, and was very disappointed at their mulching performance considering the cost of the mowers. Sold them for a loss, and will never purchase another one, unless the dealers get off their high horse's, and realize their other manufacture who offer quality products with more engine combinations & HP for less money.
     
  7. TheOctagon

    TheOctagon LawnSite Senior Member
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    In this situation i would stick with the kubota as well. The 28 cat is a great engine but imo when comparing the badboy 35 4 cylinder to the 28 3 cylinder the 3 cylinder has much more vibration and sounds a little less refined. Still a great engine but just kinda rough. Save that 4 grand and i dont think you will be disappointed w/ your decision.
     
  8. ricky86

    ricky86 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    To your original question. A 25hp diesel is more then enough for a 60" cut. We have the same engine on 72" and have power to spare. One word of caution. Any diesel will far outlive the rest of the unit. Buy the best "brand'' you can afford. Any brand diesel will be fine. My opinion : Toro Z593 period.
     
  9. treeman574

    treeman574 LawnSite Member
    from ny
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    run the kubota it will run forever. the problems with scags mulching in the last few years was with the deck design not the motors we never owned anything but scags until they changed to the advantage deck and yes we do have one of they but they suck! plain and simple. we have demoed 2 different combos and deck sizes with the new velocity deck and they are even better than the old NE deck we even took one out in the pouring rain and it cut perfectly with no clumps. these were both gassers but i think the next purchase will be the diesel.
     
  10. nosparkplugs

    nosparkplugs LawnSite Gold Member
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    That is true; however ease of repair, and cost of parts are important. I agree I heard the 3 cylinder Cat run, it does not sound "right" when compared to a Kubota diesel or the 4 banger 35hp Cat diesel. I would not overlook the Bad Boy AOS 35HP cat diesel it comes in a 62" or 72" deck 1/4 inch thick deck thicker than Scag decks. I am waiting till this spring to purchase me a Bad Boy AOS diesel i have researched this until I am blue in the face, their really well designed ZTR's made in the USA in Arkansas the Company is experiencing explosive growth, so all these Bad Boy sales cannot be because their cheap, if you take a step back, their right in line on price your able to step up to one of the largest powered Cat diesel ZTR's the BB 35hp Cat AOS line, for at least $2,500 less the price of a Scag TT 28hp Cat diesel, and depending on the Scag dealer, sometimes more.
     

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