SCU junk ?

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by KKBElite, Dec 10, 2006.

  1. KKBElite

    KKBElite LawnSite Member
    from north
    Posts: 8

    Someone posted a reply inregards to SCU being junk. I dissagree. Yes there are different forms of N but $ for $ SCU's work the best for most residential/commercial properties. Besides who is going to foot the bill for the high costs of MU's or IBDU. I personally have used all forms and $ for $ PCSCU's are by far more bang for your buck. That being said Uflexx is a product that I like as well.
     
  2. FdLLawnMan

    FdLLawnMan LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,183

    I realize a some applicators on here don't like the SCU products. They maybe aren't the best but compared to what TruGreen & Spring Green are putting down they are far superior. This being such a price competitive business, I would have a hard time convincing most of my customers to pay more in something they would see no value in. I have a hard enough time convincing them that what I use is better than the big guys use without there glazing over.

    Mike
    Mike's Total Lawn Care
     
  3. LonniesLawns

    LonniesLawns LawnSite Senior Member
    from KS
    Posts: 317

    I beleive it was my comment that SCU is junk. This opinion is based primarily on its unreliableate. With SCU the release is based on physical breaksown of the coating -- primarily caused by breakage and water infiltration. Once the seal of SCU is broken -- instant release. So you tend to get several mini flushes of growth spread out over 16 weeks raher than even continuous feeding over any amount of time.

    True - SCU is low priced -- but you get what you pay for. ALl of my ferts are either organic based, ibdu or UF. Unless I want fast release then I will use good old urea.

    Uflexx is only a step above scu. But is the lowest grade slow release I allow on my customers yards.
     
  4. upidstay

    upidstay LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
    Posts: 1,369

    I have used SCu for years with terrific results. Used to maintain multi-million dollar estates and used nothing but Lesco PPSCU products. Always had excellent luck and very happy customers. MU is great, but it is microbially activated, and thus doesn't always work when the temps are low. Says so right on the Mesa website (although buried pretty deep). Same thing with organics. I love organics, use them frequently. But they are just to friggin expensive, and don't work once the temps drop. As far as broken coatings go, and "several mini flushes of growth", you must have buying cheap fert. I have used these products for years and will continue to use them. SCU is far from junk.
     
  5. LonniesLawns

    LonniesLawns LawnSite Senior Member
    from KS
    Posts: 317

    updistay,

    You sure are proud of your clients incomes. You justify your comments in severla posts by referencing "multi-million dollar estates." I will not question your understanding of knowledge when it comes to growing great turf. For all I know you may be the friggin (great word) dali lama of TTTF.


    But...scu is a product that was developed to filla price point for low cost fertilizer. You would be hard pressed to say it is abetter fertilizer than better slow release. A Ford Escort will get me from place to place -- but compared to an Escalade -- it is "junk".

    It is true that MU and UF both require microbial actiivity when temps drop. ibdu are a good choice for products when this si the case. In my area, when the temps drop though I don't wnat much slow release in my program. My Fall applications are primarily water soluable fertilizers designed to feed the grass heavy in the fall.
     
  6. KKBElite

    KKBElite LawnSite Member
    from north
    Posts: 8

    SCU's were one the, or the first form of slow release developed. The others came with technology. It was not developed as a low cost option, it just became that way. want to talk about flush growth. IBDU(one of the best?) applied @.5lb N/1000 during june 06. Recieved alot of rain with 85-95 degree heat. It was a joke! the amount of surge growth. I've never seen that with a good polycoat.
     
  7. LawnDawg65

    LawnDawg65 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 92

    I went thru 87 tons of nothing but Lesco 28-3-10 50% scu,2% IRON -- sure does come in handy when the temp is over 100, and you don't want that quick release to burn. Oh and when it needs to last 6-8 weeks - it better be scu down here in the South -- as far as cost --- it is a little more expensive than most down here. IT IS FAR FROM JUNK
     
  8. Well, I have to agree with lonniesLawns, scu is junk, the worst of slow release nitrogen! too much nitrogen lost! Yea, the poly coated scu are better, but their are better by far choices for slow release1

    Why do organic fert fans say you don't need as much nitrogen with an organic fert? Can the same be said about uf? nutralene, pcscu? scu?

    Now iof you don't lose so much of your nitrogen, then the higher price slow release n arn't so expense, and hey, maybe you don't need to make as many apps?
     
  9. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 11,957

    yo

    Chemist call it activity index and Fert Salesmen call it a release rate chart. But in either case SCU can take up to two years to release 100%. Before calling any Fertilizer Junk you must look at the Intended response on the medium to which that fertilizer is applied, as well as the Cost Factor. UF is the oldest and still considered the best slow release, however compare the Price difference between the two. Sorry I can't agree SCU is Junk. I agree there are better slow release if cost is not a factor.
     
  10. Yes, I do agree it has it's use, but I consider it JUNK.

    Will also admit, I occasional will use it in 1st and last app, again when I'm not really looking for much slow release, and if their is a problem with release rate, won't hurt the turfgrass!

    This is more of a concern on cool season turfgrass than warm season, as the warm season turfgrass can handle the higher salt index better than cool season turfgrass. At least that is my experience and the only warm season turfgrass I have experience with is common bermunda and zoysia.
     

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