Seed germination from morning dew alone?

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by ProStreetCamaro, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. Blade Runners

    Blade Runners LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I don't think I would take a "for dummies" series as the authority on anything. If the info is coming from a University extension's research then that is different.

    Someone do a simple pot test and settle this argument.
     
  2. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    It has already been field tested for generations, so why would we need a 'pot test'???

    If there were some U. Paper, claiming that seed dies if it gets wet then dries out,, I would have to call them out and have them give a reason why it can take a month or longer for seed to germinate that is watered with occasional rains...

    Would you believe the extension office that tells you "once a seed gets soaked ,,, it has to stay moist for 10 days straight or it will die???
    Are you really willing to allow someone make you believe such an obvious falsehood???
    :)
     
  3. ProStreetCamaro

    ProStreetCamaro LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I know axe and I disagree with the whole aeration and seeding concept but I agree with him here. Seed will lay dormant without dieing and will then germinate once adequate moisture is present even if it has been wet then dried out again. I was just wondering if you guys had ever seen dew alone be enough to get seed to germinate.
     
  4. humble1

    humble1 LawnSite Silver Member
    from MA
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    We are talking about lawns, pasture mix is different. I can only speak with expertise on bluegrass, rye and fescues as that's what we use up here. Look again on my hydro seeding example when not watered. seed needs moisture, I'm not saying that you need to water every day but with the lack of moisture seed germination rates decline. We seed with viable seed meaning it has the potential to germinate at the percentages listed on the bag. Those rates drop drastically with lack of consistent moisture. I suppose that you will next day you can plant a tree not water it and it won't die using your lack of logic
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  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Perhaps if certain members would take the time to actually learn and understand the mechanisms of seed dormancy, dessication tolerance, and germination requirements, then those members might actually be able to provide constructive, accurate information to others. Instead we find the typical wild suppositions and unsubstantiated opinions presented as "facts" which are anything but accurate.

    So ..... people/professionals who actually care to learn something relevant and accurate might start here and forget everything you have read in this thread.

    http://5e.plantphys.net/article.php?ch=23&id=8
     
  6. ron mexico75

    ron mexico75 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    We are not talking about just the seed. Once the seed sprouts and starts growing as a seedling.

    By the way, I am considering tellling all of my customers to shut off their irrigation after I seed as they are WASTING earths resources and their own money.

    Oh yeah........I meant to throw these words in my post so I come off as a condescending elitist.....



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  7. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    It is obvious that lots of water for long periods of time,,, will make lots of seeds germinate and grow,,, but that is not the same as dying in between rain events...

    but as kiril states,,, there is a need to understand how seed actually goes through the process of germination...
     
  8. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Good for you... :)

    but in reality if the soil has adequate moisture after germination then the heavy dews will likely help keep the soil moist for an extended period of time...
     
  9. foreplease

    foreplease LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I've been thinking about this thread this weekend. I think where it went off the tracks is humble1 said in post 2 "...when it dries after germination begins the seed begins to die" -- something you said yourself in another thread.

    Most of your responses here have more to do with whether the seed will, essentially, wait for water and whether, if once wet but ungerminated, the seed will live.

    Seems almost everyone is in agreement on both points...
     
  10. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    It is a pretty basic concept and it is important that the germination is used to mean germination... in most soils once germination has occurred one would turn the water off for several days if the weather was not dessicating the surface of the soil... daily watering after germination is too likely to cause the roots hang around at the surface and be vulnerable to drying out later... ungerminated seed is not going to care about daily watering... ungerminated seed may very well wait till Spring if need be and will not die in the meantime becuz the lack of daily watering...
     

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