I am looking at the Gopher software and did not really like the estimating format. Is there something else out there that you gays or gals may be using? Also I did not notice a payroll on the Gopher, am I just not seeing it? Is there another software that will allow me to keep up with payroll. I know that I can use Quickbooks but I understand that you have to keep renewing every year. Can anyone sugjest another software?