somethings got to change

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Scottypoo, Jul 20, 2014.

  1. Scottypoo

    Scottypoo LawnSite Member
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    I live in the upper mid-west and I use a three way that works well n everything but oxalis and wild violet. Then during my 3rd app I treat the entire lawn normally with three way and walk the entire lawn again with my backpack sprayer loaded speedzone. It works fabulously. I just need to eliminate that time spent walking the lawn a second time. I am willing to eat the cost increase because I will have more time available to work. But looking for a way to spike it or use a different chemical just for my third application. The recommended rate for high volume sprayer is obnoxious. I would literally loose money. Please help me out here. I'm overwhelmed in trying to find a solution. I know if it ain't broke don't fix it. ...but I know there is a way. ~ Scott
     
  2. ReddensLawnCare

    ReddensLawnCare LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What do you mean the rate is obnoxious for high volume. The amount per gallon you are mixing should be lower. Please clarify
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  3. Scottypoo

    Scottypoo LawnSite Member
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    1.1 to 1.8 oz per 1000sq.ft is recommended. I cover about 150000 sq. Ft with my 200 gallon high volume sprayer at my rate of walking. I could use 30 oz in backpack fills to accomplish the results I need. But I can't put 150 ozs in the tank, that would quadruple my cost per tank. I would just like to maybe spike the threeway or something. What are my options
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  4. jjensen

    jjensen LawnSite Member
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    I use momentum FX-2. It contains Triclopyr which works very good on oxalis, Charlie ect. Great product, I use a lot of it.
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  5. FdLLawnMan

    FdLLawnMan LawnSite Bronze Member
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    You can spike your mix with Triclopyr. Are you using a spreader sticker with your 3-way. That does help with those small summer annuals.
     
  6. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I think what he’s saying here (and it took me a lot of re-reading the post to figure it out) is that combining SpeedZone + 3-way and blanketing the lawn uses more product than his previous procedure, which was blanketing the lawn with 3-way, then walking the lawn again and spot-treating weeds with SpeedZone.

    To me, both of these procedures sound wasteful and expensive. SpeedZone is just a common three-way mix (2,4-D + MCPP + dicamba) with carfentrazone (Quicksilver) added in.

    1) If you’re already applying SpeedZone in a spot-treat fashion, why not just keep that up and dump the blanket application of 3-way? Do you really need to spray 3-way in those areas that don’t have weeds?

    2) If you insist on the blanket app why not do it with SpeedZone, so you have the product you want on the weeds and you’re not buying both products?
     
  7. Scottypoo

    Scottypoo LawnSite Member
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    Is that an expensive product? And what's the mix ratio per Gallon of H2o?( to spike my three way.) Thanks.
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  8. Scottypoo

    Scottypoo LawnSite Member
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    I do need to do a blanket coat on 70% of the lawns I treat. But still 150 oz Speedzone per 200 gallon is to expensive. I use a sticker that I'm happy with. I just want to learn what others do. I know I can be more productive and cost effective if I do some research.
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  9. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Still not sure what you’re getting at. I guess I’m not clear on why you’re treating some areas with the 3-way combination (2,4-D + MCPP + dicamba) twice.

    Is it the oxalis and wild violet that you’re targeting with your backpack apps? If so, and you’re comfortable with the activity you’re getting out of SpeedZone, why not add Quicksilver to your 3-way mix? When using the right amount, you’ll be making your own SpeedZone de facto and you’re only adding one product to the cost of your 3-way tank.
     
  10. Raymond S.

    Raymond S. LawnSite Senior Member
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    Do you really need to blanket every lawn? The only lawns I blanket are new lawns. After that it's spot spray, unless I hit the oddball that has a major breakthrough. Seems like a lot of wasted 3way. With that said, I carry Triclopyr around for those heavily infested yards that I want to kick up the mix a little bit.
    Another alternative would be to get a ride on with an aux tank for spot spraying your speed zone. If you insist on doing it your way it would make the walkover pass much faster...obviously you'd be riding not walking.
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