Is it just me or do stairs drive you nuts? I am terrible with fractions and math in certain areas. Maybe I am just anxious about getting it just right. I just don't have the math brain to do stair math easily. I usually end up getting out a piece of graph paper and laying everything out down to the last 1/4 of an inch. It just takes awhile. Tonight I have about 24" drop from the sliding glass door onto the patio. Here I sit calculating, figuring and checking. I know I want close to 7" stairs for the perfect rise, but I am using 6" versa-lok and I am only going to get a 6" rise. I always want to get that perfect rise and run to match exactly on every step. 1. What do you guys do for stair? Any pointers? 2. What are your tips? Rusk? Zedo? 3. Where do you start? I always start on the finished grade of the patio and work from there. I divide the number by 6" rise and leave the remainder on the top landing. How do you guys go about this task? Maybe I am making a mountain out of a mole hill so to speak.