Stand on mowers?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Rather Be Fishing, Jun 13, 2003.

  1. Rather Be Fishing

    Rather Be Fishing LawnSite Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 109

    I realize I'm a newbie here on the forum but I'm certainly no newbie to lawncare. That said, if this is the wrong forum...

    (and yes, I've been browsing with the SEARCH feature)

    Here's my deal. Currently I have 2 nearly antique 36" walk behinds (Kees and Encore, the Encore has been a fantastic unit, the Kees is more a backup/novelty). As it is I'm only mowing on a part-time basis to suppliment my landscape work. Recently I've been getting more and more mowing inquiries, so naturally I've been checking out and pricing new equipment. The properties I'm considering are just too much for a 36" mower to be profitable on.

    I'm torn behind a rider or a stand-up unit. I considered a larger walk behind but I'm getting older and to tell the truth I'm flat sick of walking (I despise Velkies, -not even an option!!). The guys I know in the biz swear by their Exmark Lazers, and from a comfort standpoint I can see why.

    For those of you using the stand-on mowers, I'm curious how well you like them and what your overall opinions are. I've seen a few folks running them around here, just didn't want to interfere with their work to "talk shop". Salesmen are of no real assistance...Would you recommend these types of mowers for a one man operation? Any specific reason you chose these over riders, and if you had to make the choice again, which would you choose?

    I'd appreciate your opinions/recommendations/complaints. :cool:

    Have a great weekend!:)
     
  2. mowerman90

    mowerman90 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,490

    I recently purchased the best of both worlds, the Wright Sentar. You have your choice, either stand or sit. I got the 61" 25HP Kawi. I've got about 40 hours on it now and haven't had any problems or issues with it yet. It's fast and I can mow at top speed with it in normal growth. It's very manuverable because there's no overhang behind the drive wheels to bang into stuff like a regular ZTR. It's stable on what hills we have here in FL. When you put a lever in the neutral position it lets that wheel spin freely, thus making it hard to make divots while turning. It seems to be built like a tank. Everything is heavy duty and has zerk fittings all over the place, which I like. The deck lift mechanism even has sealed bearings supporting it. It gives an excellent cut. I had my dealer fabricate and install a mulching kit for it and it mulches as good as my other mower, a Husky 52" ZTR. Because it is very short I can squeeze it and my Husky on my 12 ft trailer. It's tight, but it does fit. My friend has a 42" Stander and loves his for the same reasons I've mentioned above.

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  3. Rather Be Fishing

    Rather Be Fishing LawnSite Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 109

    Mowerman90, thanks for your reply! The Senator is a fine looking piece of equipment. All the stand-ups I've seen are the Great Danes. The seat option looks fantastic for lawns that have trees with low hanging branches, is this exclusive to the Wright mowers? (I've still got a way to go with my "on-line shopping") Also appears it would be great for the comfort option, "best of both world's" sounds just about right--or is that Wright?

    Hopefully I can find one of them locally to check out/demo. Here in Central Ohio Scag's and Exmark's dominate, with the Toro's and Great Dane's seemingly right behind. I am interested in the Great Dane Gateway model as it would be perfect for some of my existing accounts--as a one man operation it would save me the trouble and time of breaking out the 36". (unfortunately that would keep me with the WB set-up)

    Again, thanks.:cool:
     
  4. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,469

    Since we all realize the need for a True Walk behind, besides a rider/stander and you are leaning toward a stand on machine, a good walk behind coupled with a good velky is a win win combination. Using a WB and velky gives two mowers in one, and saves you a ton of money. I had tried the "standers" and "for me"; they rock fore and aft too much. Also, because they (the controls are so high, I had trouble getting under things. Last, at the current time the Hustler H bar and a velky combo is by far the easiest, least fatiguing, and most precise control system available. The common complaint of having to watch behind you with a velky is ridiculous. With the view on a velky, maneuverability is never a problem. Frankly, I’m more leery on my rider because you just can’t see directly behind you. Just my nickel's worth.
    Pete

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  5. Rather Be Fishing

    Rather Be Fishing LawnSite Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 109

    Switchless, I appreciate your opinion regading the velky set-up, I still haven't ruled out another WB. Being a die-hard walk behind fan, I think they generally leave a better looking cut than some of the riders out there. I've run just about any of the old machines you can think of. (I still have nightmares of being dragged around for 10 hours a day behind a Scag 72" WB! :D ) The jobs I've looked at that have been cut with the Dane's look really nice and the speeds these guys are cutting at have me green with envy!

    Since I've focused more and more on landscapes and maintenance I've managed to get by just fine with the old belt-driven 36er's. The newest stuff I've had the opportunty to spend a little time on was a a Scag 52" Hydro with a Velky and the Lazer. I didn't really have time to acclimate myself with the Exmark. The Scag was a nice machine but I looked and felt like a fool trying to get used to it, it beat me to death at the knees but that might have been due to the handle position.

    I've been a bit under the weather with a case of pneumonia that's just now clearing up, but I spent a good bit of time reading through the older threads trying to pull as much info as possible out of them.(-what a Spring! cold, wet and sick...)

    I appreciate the time you guys have taken to reply, there's no advice like a pro's. Most salesmen I've dealt with over the years could care less if you're getting the right piece of equipment for the right price as long as they make a sale. Well, I'm off to another dealer that's closer to home than my "primary" dealer, curious what they've got.

    Thanks again!
     
  6. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
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    You really need to do what's best for you. FWIW, I have a rider (part of what a LCO has to have):dizzy: , and I'm still faster on my WB/velky. Also, try as I may, for the lawns I do, the rider is just more uncomfortable. Some guy's actually admit that;) . I'm 53, and want to stay in good shape, and I think some of these 20 to 40 years olds will be sorry as time goes on that there back will suffer staying on a rider all the time. In my opinion, if the lawn is bad enough to bother your knees/legs with velky, then you back will be bothered on a rider. Also, if your knees/legs bother you on a "good two-wheeled velky”, then you will still be bothered on a stander. I know my back bothered me using the velky, but that was because I was using a pistol grip machine and all the gripping/pulling and stuff radiated into my bad. Once, I changed mower brands, I’ve had no problems.
    Take a look at the H bar concept. It's a "ridged" bar to hold to stablize you, there are no safety levers to hold or dig into your hands, it's motorcycle style steering, automatically re-centering and stopping at zero, plus with the pumps tied together, all the guess work about how much of "each control to give" in order to zero turn is removed, just turn the bar in the direction you want to spin and it spins around and around.:p Maybe that's the problem, it's too easy and guy's need a challange:blush: :blush:

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  7. wissel_landscaping

    wissel_landscaping LawnSite Senior Member
    from ohio
    Posts: 262

    where at in ohio are you located? emmit mowers on rt303 & i77
    in richfield carry wright. i have the wright stander 61" and a 52" sentar, the sentar is a awesome machine i could go on and on about how great the sentar is, its definatly my favorite mower.
     
  8. 1stclasslawns

    1stclasslawns LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 565

    RBF welcome to lawnsite.

    Right now on my trailer I have a 52" 17hp GreatDane Super Surfer demo unit. with just a few hours on it. I also have a 61" 25 hp kohler powered Chariot LX with 5.1 hours on it. The reason I have the stander is my 1999 chariot 61" is at the shop and they said take the demo.

    I have put 5 days worth of mowing behind me with the super surfer and when I ordered a mower on monday the 9th I ordered a Z rider.

    I have lots of hills and rough yards and several nice lawns to boot. I have used the SS on every one of them. They don't handel the hills as well as I would like, I'll keep the old w/b for those 3 hours a week because I will make up the time with the rider.

    The cut from the LX is great! The improved deck design is awsome, mowing in wet conditions it only puked once yesterday my other one would have done it several times.

    I myself would rather ride then stand. One thing for sure be sure and get a suspension seat for whichever unit you choose.


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  9. Rather Be Fishing

    Rather Be Fishing LawnSite Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 109

    I'm near Columbus, Richfield is a bit of a drive but I am heading up to Canton for a machinegun shoot at the end of the month so if I can't find one to check out locally that might be an option. According to Wright's website there's a dealer in Pataskala which is nearby. (I'm in the midst of changing out a set of spindle bearings and a belt or I'd head over today)

    I wanted to try out a Dane today but when I went to pick up parts the place was a madhouse, guess I'll blame it on the rain...:D Thanks for the replies and welcomes, this is definitely not something I want to jump into without weighing all the variables. There certainly appears to be quite a number of knowledgable folks here on Lawnsite, glad I found it!:cool:
     
  10. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
    Posts: 1,517

    I really don't think you can compare a Stander to a Rider. I think a Stander should be compared to other walkbehind type of units. You will sacrifice hill stability on a Stander (in my opinion), and you will be limited to the cutting performance of that unit. I have a Wright Stander, and it cuts very nice, but the deck clogs very quickly, and blows wadds of grass if conditions are damp. I believe that this occurs because of the deck design, as I did not experience this type of clotting with exmark, Hustler, Scag Cub, or a variety of other mower brands. A Wright, and a Dane will have one type of deck, and if you are happy with that great.

    A rider is an awsome tool, and with the speed, power, stabiltiy, and abilty to lift the deck with your foot when needed, nothing can compare unless your lawns are small, and very flat.

    Don't plan on doing much standing on a Sentar either, you can stand, but will not do so for long. I have spent quite a few hours on a Sentar, and would not buy one if one of the big name company riders was an option.

    Test out as many machines as you can, test them during the most brutal growth conditions... lots of growth, wet, and anything else you may encounter. You may secure lawns in the future that are rougher, have more hills, or a variety of other conditions that you do not now encounter. Find a machine that can deal with them all satisfactorily, and buy from a good dealer who is there for you.

    Have fun shopping.

    Jay
     

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