thats not really the attitude i was getting from your posts at all. more like sit downs are better across the board than stand ons attitude. i'll agree demoing one is not the same as owning one but i've had sit down mowers as loaners for a week at a time and in my experiece the lazer z i've had as a loaner does not handle hills nearly as well and will not go or get nearly as close to objects as my grandstand. i trim first then mow each property. on those weeks i had those loaners i still trimmed first then mowed but i had to go back with the trimmer after mowing some of the properties to trim spots my grandstand would have reached but the lazer z did not. so thats my experience and i personally don't find many people who actual say a sit down is better than a stander. seems like more and more people are switching to standers.