Start-up/Shut-down knocking

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by sethsodsquad, Nov 22, 2004.

  1. sethsodsquad

    sethsodsquad LawnSite Member
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    Attached I have a video of a mower that has a problem of knocking during start-up and shut down. The sound is most noticeable during shut-down in the video clip. When the mower is running, the sound is there, but not as loud.

    I can't figure out why it's making this noise, or even where in a specific area it is making this noise. :angry: It isn't the crankshaft I believe because the mower doesn't have any excessive vibration.

    This engine is a B&S Intek 6.5 hp. It is on a JD, which isn't that important to the problem.

    Just wondering what you all think the problem is. . . .

    Seth
     
  2. specialtylc

    specialtylc LawnSite Bronze Member
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    My guess is its in the BBC, bearing going out or blade is loose. I have had similar problem with JD and Honda 21s. My expierience with JDs is they have a poor BBC design. Early bearing failure and really small clutches.
     
  3. sethsodsquad

    sethsodsquad LawnSite Member
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    The John Deere JS63 doesn't have BBC and the blade is very tight.

    Seth
     

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  4. FrankenScagMachines

    FrankenScagMachines LawnSite Platinum Member
    from IN
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    hmmm... by the sound i'm almost wondering if it maybe something to do with the valves, but it runs pretty smooth if thats really the problem.. let me think on this a bit...
     
  5. Eric 1

    Eric 1 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What did you use to open it, the media player wont work.
     
  6. FrankenScagMachines

    FrankenScagMachines LawnSite Platinum Member
    from IN
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    I just clicked on it, beleive it automatically came up in windows media player.

    Seth, here's a thought... if you think it is something major, its probably better to just replace the engine for $254.99 (Northerntool.com) than to take it to a shop. In just an hour the shop charge will likely be at least $50 plus parts and tax, and even if they fix it, it is still a used, worn engine. Don't count on that they could do it in just an hour either.
    Eric
     
  7. sethsodsquad

    sethsodsquad LawnSite Member
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    I kinda would like to know what is causing the noise though, so if I could, I could fix it. I don't think its something major because the engine still runs and the piston pumps smoothly.

    Btw, it's not my main mower anyways, so its not a huuuuuge issue.

    Seth
     
  8. bugspit

    bugspit LawnSite Senior Member
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    I've got a B&S 6.5 doing the same thing. Something I found but did not completely eliminate the noise was the pull starter casing had only one screw holding it securely. 3 of 4 had vibrated out.

    But again, a knocking still exsist at start up and shut down. I wonder what kinda of oil pump these have and if it's not the rod knocking due to lack of oil??

    Mine also runs great, blows a little oil at start up but fine otherwise.
     
  9. PLM-1

    PLM-1 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    this may be far fetched and totally not the problem but have you cleaned out the intake on the top of the engine. i had an engine that had a similar problem. there was a small piece of wood stuck in the intake recoil area and it was jammed in there and making noise. i only heard it on startup and shut down. i figured that was when the engine was the quietest and it was just easier to hear. you never know...it could be as simple as that! Good Luck!
     
  10. PLM-1

    PLM-1 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    now that i have listed to it several more times...it does sound more metal on metal! Scratch my previous post!!!

    but then it sorta sounds like partially clogged exhaust

    i dunno...

    let us know what it was when you find out
     

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