Started a lawn from scratch... little help

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by Holistic Landscapes, Jun 19, 2005.

  1. Holistic Landscapes

    Holistic Landscapes LawnSite Member
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    I tilled... enriched... added sustane.... farfard topsoil..... ya know the whole nine... gypsum..... basically everything that the typical landscapers don't do..... most use peat moss and just throw down seed... from what I've seen.... anyway... I'm getting a lot of crab grass.. weeds... with constant watering.... I know I should have let the weeds pop up first after tilling then remove the weeds and then seed... but I didn't... I scuffle hoe'd the area and ripped out 95 percent of the crab grass and weeds... but the freak'n crab grass won't stop germinating... should I just round up the area... even though I do have a decent lawn coming in? and do it right? or just grow out a weedy lawn? I can't stand the look of the crab grass.. I honestly hate it... and always think about it... I know using round up kills everything systemically... so do you think I should? I HATE CRAB GRASS!!!! Its a small lawn probably like 3-400 square feet... partly sunny.. ya know.... defenatly enough sun for a beautiful lawn... just curious... I"m at the point were I think I"m just gona wipe it out and start over... what do you think?
     
  2. DizneyWorld

    DizneyWorld LawnSite Member
    from ma
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    Use sod. If it is that small it will only be about $100 in material. Its hard growing a lawn in the summer heat.
     
  3. Tvov

    Tvov LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
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    That is an interesting comment. You're doing everything the "typical" landscaper doesn't do, and your yard is coming in terrible. Hmmm....
     
  4. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
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    ??????

    Did you do a soil test first or just guess that your lawn would do great with all these additives? Your right, all the things a typical landscaper wouldnt do, wonder why??
     
  5. Holistic Landscapes

    Holistic Landscapes LawnSite Member
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    I've learned in everybook... and all the people I"ve worked for that this is the correct way... I ment that most landscapers don't do the whole nine.. in my area from what I"ve seen anyway... I"ve seen renovations and it just looks like they just rip the grass up throw a whole lot of peat moss, grade then sod or seed... I feel that I've gotten much better results with adding organics to the soil and till it in... I"m just going by other professionals advice... Guess you guy's didn't like that comment... my bad... I'll figure it out....
     
  6. Tvov

    Tvov LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
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    You're right. That comment came across, well, not good.

    Anyway, from the sound of it you should probably just Roundup the area and start over. You are almost always going to have some weeds until you can start a regular application program to control them. It sounds like you have a lot of weeds. After Roundup (usually as soon as a week later), you could probably just use a power seeder (overseeder, slit seeder, etc) for that area. I wouldn't think you have to re-till the area.
     
  7. Holistic Landscapes

    Holistic Landscapes LawnSite Member
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    I honestly only made that comment because of what I"ve seen... I just havn't found a landscaping service that actually takes there time does the job when it comes to lawn renovations... but whatever... hopefully it will set me apart from those people.... I really don't wana sod... sod is like boring kinda.. plus he said that he wants a seeded lawn... and I like the challenge... Plus seeded lawns look so spectacular in the early spring... sod looks all matty... but those seeded lawns look so fresh... i"M going by the area tommorrow to cut... so I"m gona take a look.. I"m probably gona round it up tomorrow.. and explain to the customer.. that with the proper watering we can still grow a beautiful lawn..... its not totally all in the sun... its like a partly sunny lawn so I think we'll be ok... Thanks Tvov... night all! :sleeping:
     
  8. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
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    You have 400 sqft of lawn. Roundup it and start over. Do a soil test and adjust the recommended rate of materials for depth of incorporation. Think about watering the soil without using any seed. This will germinate the crabgrass and other weeds so you can give another round of roundup. Then slitseed, broadcast or hydroseed the area. Apply Peat or straw to the top of the newly seeded lawn like a professional landscaper would.

    Other options, Have a licensed herbicide applicator apply a product called drive 75. It is a pre and post emergent and works pretty good on crabgrass without killing off the wanted grasses.

    Take a small brush and just paint the crabgrass with roundup being careful not to drip the chemical on the grass you want to keep.
     
  9. sheshovel

    sheshovel LawnSite Fanatic
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    Well if there was crabgrass there in the first place(and I'm sure you saw some)you should have never tilled it under,in doing so you created a bazzillion little crabgrass babies that will now take over the yard.In shuffel hoeing the crabgrass that was there you also made your crabgrass problem 100 times worse than it would have been had you taken your time and did it right by spraying first killing,waiting,digging out and removing,then waiting,spraying and digging out and removing .then adding your amendments after a soil test,tilling and removing as many roots as possible then seeding really thick,waiting a week and reseeding again.
     
  10. Holistic Landscapes

    Holistic Landscapes LawnSite Member
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    ok... I"m gona explain to the customer the situation... Thanks all for the advice... I really appreciate it... so I guess using peat moss is good then? I was told by lesco never to use the stuff... to acidic... I dunno... I guess we all have to find out what works for us... I'll ttyl
     

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