starter dump truck

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by YellowDogSVC, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
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    I wouldn't overlook the IH with the DT466, it's cheap to fix compared to others and there is parts out the wazoo for them. I also would encourage finding a truck that is set up as it can be very frustrating going through an upfitting.
     
  2. tnmtn

    tnmtn LawnSite Bronze Member
    from NE Tn.
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    just thinking I have regular spreader type gate on y truck. I attached a cable on both ends of it and can pull it off pretty quickly with the backhoe. when hauling stumps this is what i do. I'll lace a chain across the back in case something should move around. Haven't lost a stump yet.
     
  3. AWJ Services

    AWJ Services LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Ga
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    The achilles heal with a 10 foot box will always be hauling logs. With a flatbed you can haul them much longer. Cuts down on labor.

    I have been looking for a truck hard for about 6 months. It will take between 35k and 40k too get a good Late model low mile truck with the bed already on it. Or you can by a cab chassis for 15k and build the truck the way you want it. Most of the trucks I found for sale where cabchassis that dealers put beds on themselves. The DT466 is a good engine but the International trucks cannot hold a candle too F650/750 for Cab comfort. Friehtliner M2 trucks came with a Cat or Cummins. One major issue I am having is finding higher hp trucks. Most are 190 - 210 hp.
     
  4. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
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    It is interesting how we all have such different preferences and needs for trucks. The big thing with the shorter box (9' or 10') is how maneuverable they are, it is unreal where you can put a short truck. To me the 12-13' contractor dump truck is a compromise from the short 10' and long 16' dumps. I personally don't like flatbed dumps but I'm always concerned with hauling dirt/gravel. Once you have an air trip tailgate it is heaven not having to get out every time. When hauling stumps I've either taken off the tailgate or dropped it down and have not had problems.

    I have noticed the medium duty trucks are very light in power. I have to say I like that 3116 with the 250 horse/high torque rating, it is a monster but does sound like there is gravel in it.

    It is a shame the 650/750's weren't pushed more, I think they could have been a great truck.

    I like upfitting trucks but you have to watch the upfitter, they don't always care or understand how you will use your truck. A lot of the dealer upfitted trucks are not put together that good.
     
  5. YellowDogSVC

    YellowDogSVC LawnSite Gold Member
    from TX
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    I'm lucky in that I can chip up to 20" logs. I use a dump trailer for bigger logs when we are working with big, dead oaks which are a real problem to dispose of. My dump trailer will only haul a 12' log and my haul trailer can handle 20' logs which I can unload at the yard with an extra machine.
    Due to the weight of oak logs and occasional stumps, we cut them in 6-8' length to be able to handle them and not destroy what we are dumping into. If any of you deal with oak wilt, you know the biggest trees seem to go first. I try not to mess with too many stumps that I can't either grind in-ground or mulch on site unless they are cedar stumps which I don't mind hauling off. Not only are the oak stumps extremely heavy and hard to dig out without a big machine, they are hard to dispose of out of the ground. For the common 4' diameter sized stumps I regularly encounter, I almost always try to sell my stump grinding versus digging them out.
    My trucker with a tandem has had problems getting stumps and logs hung up in his tailgate and he won't haul them anymore. I'll probably keep my dump trailer for jobs like that or stack smarter in a dump truck with traditional tailgate.

    In a perfect world I would have 1 of everything I need. I am kind of in that position with attachments, Bobcat, excavator, toolcat, dump trailer, and chipper yet I still have only one *ss to put in any machine or truck. I'm still trying to find RELIABLE help. The Good Lord blessed me with a ranch full of women and my grandkids are... girls.. so it looks like I won't be getting help any time soon. :)
     
  6. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
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    Going from a 10' box to a 17 was awesome! New truck is a 12 and I think 14 would be my perfect size. My red dump will run circles around my f250 crew cab, but like everyone keeps saying, everyone's needs are different. Take your best guess and hopefully it's right.
     
  7. AWJ Services

    AWJ Services LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Ga
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    Down here the Fords are really popular. They also hold there resale very well compared too other brands. Remember all trucks when new where shipped as cab and chassis and where upfitted by dealers so really have no choice in that matter.
     
  8. YellowDogSVC

    YellowDogSVC LawnSite Gold Member
    from TX
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    So my idea of starting with a smaller truck and see if I need to work up to a bigger truck is feasible? I just don't get too excited about driving trucks but often have the need to move some materials and it's a PITA with my dump trailer. It would be nice to get my class a or b and get a truck with an 18ft bed and barn doors but until hauling brush is more profitable than recycling onsite, I don't think I can justify that especially since I would need a way to load that truck. With a dump truck, I think I can put it to use right away.

    I just bought a trencher for my Bobcat (Bobcat 405 5') so I may have to wait awhile to find a truck. I wasn't wanting a trencher but our neighbor's have oak wilt on their property and it's coming our way. I have about a mile of trenching to do to start. Not looking forward to that but I imagine I'll have a new line of business by the time I'm done with that.
     
  9. Junior M

    Junior M LawnSite Fanatic
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    What will trenching do?
     
  10. AWJ Services

    AWJ Services LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Ga
    Posts: 4,276

    Stops the fungus from trabsfering too the adjoining trees from root contact.
     

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