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Stone Bed Edging - Is Sand Needed?

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by DFW Area Landscaper, May 3, 2004.

  1. DFW Area Landscaper

    DFW Area Landscaper LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
    Posts: 2,116

    I am installing some Pavestone Edgestones http://www.pavestone.com/retail/edging-edgestone.html as bed edging and tree rings for a customer. Is it necessary to use sand at the base of the stone or can I get by with just using native clay soils? We've got about 1/3 of it installed and it looks really good. And we're getting the base fairly well compacted by using gloves to hold the stones and banging them repeatedly into the bottom of the installation trench we dug out.

    Is sand necessary here? If so, why?

    Thanks
    DFW Area Landscaper
     
  2. NCSULandscaper

    NCSULandscaper Banned
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    I would use about an inch or so just so you can get it better level and have a way to play with the blocks.
     
  3. hosejockey2002

    hosejockey2002 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,195

    Instead of sand I use paver base, either 5/8 or 3/4 crushed rock with fines, especially if the native soil is sandy or silty.
     
  4. Gene $immons

    Gene $immons LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,028

    If it looks level at the top, then you might not need to do much more than lay the stone in your dug out footing.

    Comptacting the footing, like you said, is important.
     
  5. DFW Area Landscaper

    DFW Area Landscaper LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
    Posts: 2,116

    Yup. We finished the job today. We used a Mantis tiller with only half of the tines to dig the trenches. Then we used the actual bricks themselves and pounded the bottom of the trench repeatedly to compact the soil.

    Getting the tree rings was a little b!tch. You always end up with one stone that won't fit and you have to start expanding or shrinking the tree ring until everything goes in. I think we probably averaged about 2 man hours per tree ring. Maybe 2.5.

    But I am pleased with the margins on this install. It's only the second installation I've done since I got into the lawn/landscape business 17 months ago. There was a lot of guesswork involved in the pricing. So I bid high, knowing that the customer wouldn't know what the price should be either. Now that we're done, I'd guess we spend about 20 man hours on the install, including driving to various places to pick up materials. The cost of goods sold was $518 and the price to install this was $1,296.00 Cleared $778 on the job and that works out to about $38.90 per man hour. Much better than what I get mowing lawns.

    Gotta start focusing more on installs.

    Later,
    DFW Area Landscaper
     
  6. Gene $immons

    Gene $immons LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,028

    DFW

    Mowing can be a drag or be enjoyable. I think it depends on the properties you are on. I go with the mow crew sometimes on Friday's because we are on the best accounts.

    I think mowing is good bread and butter though,

    Landscaping and rock work is my best money per hour though. Chemical plans add $$$ also for little time per job.

    Off topic here

    I see where OSU got a real good b-ball recruit out of N.C. I believe. I don't remember his name, but he was a number one recruit
     
  7. EZTarget

    EZTarget LawnSite Senior Member
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    what are you getting avg on mowing? is it less than 30/man hr?
     
  8. NCSULandscaper

    NCSULandscaper Banned
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    They got a drug addict from high school lol.
    James Curry. He lost his NC scholarship because of drug charges so he had to go to OSU.
     
  9. DFW Area Landscaper

    DFW Area Landscaper LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
    Posts: 2,116

    ++++what are you getting avg on mowing? is it less than 30/man hr?++++

    It depends. I do two types of mowing services: Weekly & Bi-Weekly. Bi-Weekly service is about 40% more than weekly service. Bi-Weekly service, we gross probably $38 to $40 per man hour. Weekly service, we gross probably $28 to $30 per man hour. I hate the weekly accounts. I wish 100% of my customers were bi-weekly.

    Later,
    DFW Area Landscaper
     
  10. EZTarget

    EZTarget LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 295

    really? man i thought most everyone felt the exact opposite. i guess though you have enough business to have this work for you.
     

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