Stone veneer question

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Shane472, Feb 12, 2009.

  1. Shane472

    Shane472 LawnSite Member
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    This came up in one of my classes and I'm wondering if anyone knows at what thickness of stone would you start using tiebacks as opposed to being able to place some mortar on the back of the stone and sticking it onto a scratch coat? Obviously you can't place a thick stone like that as it would be too heavy but I'm curious as to whether or not there's a general rule for which of these methods you use.
     
  2. 2low4NH

    2low4NH LawnSite Bronze Member
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    over 2 inch i would tie it in. i never go over 1 inch unless we go right to a 4 inch stone. aalways get anchored
     
  3. Bru75

    Bru75 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Anytime you use real stone, at least that's the code here.
     
  4. 2low4NH

    2low4NH LawnSite Bronze Member
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    no need for the real stone vaneer its just like cultured stone its all saw cut down to 3/4-1 inch thick pieces great product
     
  5. Bru75

    Bru75 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Right, cultured and thin stone veneer are treated the same. What I meant by real stone is a full veneer of 4" plus thickness.
     
  6. 2low4NH

    2low4NH LawnSite Bronze Member
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    yeah they also sell the really this stone here its under 2 inch i never run anchors in it but most runs are under 48 inch. i try and stay away from that kinda work though it will usually fail after 10 years in this climate i love running 4+ if they dont want cultured
     
  7. Shane472

    Shane472 LawnSite Member
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    Thanks a lot for the answers guys. I appreciate it. I have to build a stone veneer raised bed for a display for our employers night and we're using 4" thick material. Going to use ties obviously but I was just curious about what point you'd have to start using them.
     
  8. Bru75

    Bru75 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Post some pics when you finish, I'd like to see it.
     
  9. Shane472

    Shane472 LawnSite Member
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    Sure thing. This is my first time working with mortar so I'm really excited and luckily I'll have the program director helping me out haha. We couldn't build it too big because we have to be able to get it from the shop into the school and down into the conference room where we're having the employers night. I started out by building a frame out of 2x4's and bracing the corners. I then attached a sheet of 3/8" plywood to serve as the ledge for the stone to sit on. Next I built some stud walls just a shade under 2' tall so when the coping stone is placed on we'll reach that height. I know I didn't build the corners the way you'd really do them when building stud walls but I figured it was ok since it's nothing as big as a house. 3/8" plywood was attached as cladding and there's about a 1/2" finger space behind where the stone will sit. Once it's all finished we'll go pick out some plant material from our green houses. Sorry for the blurry pics, I just snapped them with my phone as I was leaving the shop. Will bring a camera next time.

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  10. 2low4NH

    2low4NH LawnSite Bronze Member
    from NH
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    that thing is gonna be heavy as fock!
     

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