Stone wall for patio

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by clandscaper, May 27, 2007.

  1. clandscaper

    clandscaper LawnSite Member
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    I am building a stone wall that will support the front end of a blue stone patio that is slightly elevated due to the slope of the yard.

    I was originally going to dry lay the wall, so I dug my trench and started to build the wall on 6'' of compacted crusher run. However, after starting I decided to use mortar to give the wall more stability since the end of the patio will be resting on it. I am only using the mortar on the back side of the wall (not the face that will be shown), this way it gives the appearance of being dry stacked.

    Will this method hold up over time ( I live in upstate NY) since it is resting on a compacted base instead of a poured footer? Any input is appreciated, thanks
     
  2. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Pic?

    Chris
     
  3. clandscaper

    clandscaper LawnSite Member
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    I just started it, so only have the first two courses done, but Ill get a pic up tomorrow after work. Any advice without seeing the pic? My major question is with the longevity of the patio if the front stones are supported by a wall that has mortar on the back side which is sitting on crushed stone instead of a concrete footer.
     
  4. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Most likely you will have some movement in your wall and failure of your patio. If you are truly hard up on the stone, I would dig, install a footer, block it up, and face w/ nat. stone. It's alot more work, but it will last you.

    Chris
     
  5. clandscaper

    clandscaper LawnSite Member
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    the wall itself is only 1.5' tall. so do you think blocking it is necessary, or can i get away with just stacking my stone with a little mortar on the back?
     
  6. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Did you read my post?

    Chris
     
  7. Jay Works

    Jay Works LawnSite Member
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    You need to provide weep holes. The benefit of block retaining walls is the ability to drain the moisture from behind to minimize the freeze thaw.
     
  8. Isobel

    Isobel LawnSite Senior Member
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    I had a client a few years ago who wanted a 2' tall bluestone planter, that looked dry laid, and then wanted seating areas on top.
    So instead of using mortar, I used concrete, from behind, to act as a reinforcement to hold up to people sitting on top.

    Seems to have worked out well.
     

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