Super Z & Bad Boy Measurements

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by puppypaws, Jul 2, 2007.

  1. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    These measurements are in inches and were done by hand very precisely.

    H-denotes Hustler and B-denotes Bad Boy

    (Engine)
    H= 18" long & 20" wide
    B= 18" long & 20" wide

    (Length From Front Of Front Wheel To Back Of Back Wheel)
    H= 72" long
    B= 69" long

    (Length Full Machine)
    H= 86"
    B= 81"

    (Rear Wheel Width)
    H= 59"
    B= 55"

    (Main Frame Rear Height)
    H= 6"
    B= 8 1/2"

    (Rear Motor Cover Height)
    H= 10"
    B= 15"

    (Foot Platform Height)
    H= 15"
    B= 18"

    (Deck Depth Left Side)
    H= 5 7/8"
    B= 5 1/2"

    (Deck Depth Front)
    H= 4 3/4"
    B= 5 1/2"

    (Deck Thickness)
    H= 3/16"
    B= 1/4"

    (Seat Height From Ground)
    H= 31"
    B= 36 1/2"

    (Foot Platform Height)
    H= 15"
    B= 18"

    (Front Hub Bolt)
    H= 3/4"
    B= 1/2"

    (Fork Thickness)
    H= 1/2"
    B= 3/8"

    Anything else you want to know just ask!!!
     
  2. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
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    Remember, the BB is a 60" compared to your 66". Wheelbase and track width will be different.

    If you want I can measure my 60" SuperZ if there is someone that wants to compare apples to apples.

    Are the engines really that similar? With the Vanguard being only "taller"?
     
  3. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    Measure your 60" from outside rear tire to outside rear tire.

    The Kohler is 14 1/2" high to the top of the fan shroud.

    The Vanguard is 16 1/2" high to the top of the fan shroud.

    The width and length of the engines are the same.
     
  4. dwost

    dwost LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Great info. One question, when I looked at their brochure and spoke to one of their reps they stated the forks were also 1/2" thick. Is this only on their non suspension models? When I demo'd their pup and lightning I only really looked at the forks on the pup without the bushings and they were definitely 1/2" thick. I didn't look close enough on the Lightning with the suspension but I'm wondering if they shaved some thickness due to the design? any feedback on this?
     
  5. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    Look at the pictures I posted of the front suspension, it is double plated, the torsion rubber it is very strong and takes the stress off the metal. The 1/2" metal you are talking about would be on a standard fork. You can't damage the front forks on the Bad Boy Lightening unless you run head on into a tractor trailer.
     
  6. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
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    This would be the track width... mine is 54 1/2" wide here.

    Overall length of machine 81"

    Front of front tire to rear of rear tire 69 3/4"
     
  7. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    Really the same dimensions as the 60" Bad Boy, I mowed a 26 degree slope and my Super Z will not lose any traction (when it is dry) the Bad Boy will slide a little but very little and certainly not $2100.00 worth.
     
  8. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
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    So it is not as good on slopes then?

    When I looked at them I figured as much due to the height.
    But really hill performance and deck performance were the only real questions in my mind.

    What is the price on the lightning unit?

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    PS> also just wanted to check to see if you got my last PM about the oil?
     
  9. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    It is good on slopes but not quiet as good as the lower profile Super Z.

    The cut is not for manicured grass but it would be productive in average grass but not as productive as the Super Z cutting at lower heights as I do.
    The Bad Boy will leave a good percentage more uncut weed stems than the Hustler, even at lower heights. I think the deck being 5 1/2" in the front of the Bad Boy pushes over stemmed weeds more than the opened front of the XR-7 deck plus it just doesn't cut as clean.

    I got the information on the oil and now I am trying to get a response from Kohler.
     
  10. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
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    That's understandable on the slopes.

    I hate the stringers with a passion.
    The trivantage leaves them, the command cut doesn't.

    Both units are full depth all the way around... no raised skirt like Hustler or others.

    This tells me it's not all about a raised lip.
    Some decks just don't cut stems and such as well.

    The only thing I can think of to check is the pitch/rake of the deck.
    It might have too much.


    I doubt you'll get that response you are looking for... admission of guilt.
     

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