Sureguard for post emergent poa control

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by JMEllis, Jan 13, 2013.

  1. JMEllis

    JMEllis LawnSite Member
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    Has anyone used this product as a post emergent for poa annua? If so, how does it compare with Revolver?
     
  2. Turf Dawg

    Turf Dawg LawnSite Gold Member
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    I did not think it was labeled for turfgrass
     
  3. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    It's a pre for landscape beds I thought
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  4. JMEllis

    JMEllis LawnSite Member
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    It is now labeled for bermuda
     
  5. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    http://www.valent.com/Data/Labels/2009-SGD-0001 SureGuard - Form 1490-D.pdf

    This label under general restrictions says do not apply to turfgrass. Maybe valent hasn't updated the google search.

    For Poa there are a lot better and cheap products. I think sureguard will cost $500+ for a couple of pounds.


    I did go to the website and you are correct. It's only for dormant Bermuda. I'd still be cautious about doing it. I sprayed a sureguard and gly mix in my lawn to test it's control of weeds in beds. It keep a nice "dirt" square for months.
     
  6. JMEllis

    JMEllis LawnSite Member
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    When you break it down, Sureguard costs about 25% more than Revolver, but Revolver doesn't prevent and suppress:

    annual sowthistle
    barnyardgrass (suppression)
    birdseye pearlwort (suppression)
    black nightshade
    bristly foxtail (suppression)
    bristly starbur (suppression)
    broadleaf plantain (suppression)
    buckhorn plantain (suppression)
    California burclover
    California lovegrass (suppression)
    Canada thistle (suppression)
    Carolina geranium
    carpetweed
    coffee senna
    common lambsquarters
    common mallow
    common purslane
    common ragweed
    common waterhemp
    dandelion (suppression)
    dogfennel
    doveweed
    Eastern black nightshade



    eclipta
    entireleaf morningglory
    fall panicum (suppression)
    field pennycress
    Florida beggarweed
    Florida pusley
    giant foxtail (suppression)
    giant ragweed
    goosegrass (suppression)
    green foxtail (suppression)
    green kyllinga (suppression)
    ground ivy (suppression)
    hairy galinsoga
    hairy indigo
    hairy nightshade
    hemp sesbania
    henbit
    hoary alyssum
    horseweed (suppression)
    ivyleaf morningglory
    jimsonweed
    kochia
    ladysthumb
    large crabgrass (suppression)
    little mallow
    liverwort
    longstalked phyllanthus
    mayweed
    moss
    parsley-piert



    Pennsylvania smartweed
    pineapple-weed (suppression)
    prickly sida (teaweed)
    prostrate pigweed
    puncturevine
    red/scarlet morningglory
    redmaids
    redroot pigweed
    redstem filaree (suppression)
    redweed
    Russian thistle
    shepherdÂ’s-purse
    signalgrass (supression)
    smallflower morningglory
    smooth crabgrass (suppression)
    smooth pigweed
    Southern crabgrass (suppression)
    tall morningglory
    tall waterhemp
    Texax panicum (suppression)
    tropic croton
    tumble mustard
    tumble pigweed
    velvetleaf
    Venice mallow
    wild mustard
    wild poinsettia
    yellow foxtail
    yellow rocket
    yellow woodsorrel

    This is the first year I am going to use it. I am interested to see the results.
     
  7. JMEllis

    JMEllis LawnSite Member
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    I just wanted to update what I have seen after using Sureguard for 400-500 customers. It worked better than any product I have ever used at preventing poa from coming up when sprayed in the late fall. Just blows simazine out of the water. Lawns look perfectly clean. It was slow to kill poa when used as a post-emergent (temps below 50 degrees), but it definitely worked. I would say it killed 80-90% of the poa even in cool temps. It did take about 3 weeks for the poa to turn yellow, but once the temps got in the mid 50's the kill time has been cut in half. A very expensive product, but one that works very well from what I have experienced. I'm interested to see how well it keeps broadleaf weeds and crabgrass from coming up. The only thing that it hasn't controlled very well was henbit, but that is a notoriously difficult weed to control.
     
  8. georgialawn88

    georgialawn88 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    simazine for dormant bermuda. cheap cheap cheap
     
  9. grassmasterswilson

    grassmasterswilson LawnSite Platinum Member
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    It's expemsive and have been told that the Bermuda needs to be fully dormant to use....if there is any "green" when you do spray you. Will have brown dormant grass very fast.

    We treat all types of warm season so simazine works great for us. We can apply it in November and most of the time the control is still there in feb/march when we come back for round 1.
     
  10. wildstarblazer

    wildstarblazer LawnSite Senior Member
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    Atrazine has worked for me if time is not issue but money is, and I just sprayed celsius this week so I am seeing how that work on it too.
     

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