I found the easiest way (for me) to get the bulk leaves up is to use a tarp with 2 people. Then the rest is either blown or sucked up with a shred and vac. I really thought it was going to be difficult, but it wasn't. The only problems I encountered saturday were leaves in english ivy and the wind. These leaves were so thick, if you made a couple of strokes with the rake you'd be knee deep in leaves. This particular yard wouldn't be a good candidate for a Walker or other rider/bagger. Oh yeah, she had a leland cypress that just fell over. We cut it up with a sawzall with a 12" blade, worked just fine. Carried it to the street for an extra $50. If I EVER see leaves in ivy I'm gonna pass it up. I personally think ivy is high maint. I hate it. I used the shred and vac and exposed hundreds of ant hills. This is a structural pest customer of mine and last year she was having ant problems in her house. I always suspect ivy when this happens and now I know for sure.