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Telemarketers: Do not call list.

Discussion in 'Business Operations' started by Gautreaux's LNG, Dec 14, 2004.

  1. Gautreaux's LNG

    Gautreaux's LNG LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 379

    For those who may not know. On January 1, 2005 all cell phones numbers will be released meaning telemarketers will have a whole new batch of phone numbers to bombard. You can visit www.donotcall.gov and register your cell phone numbers on the do not call list.

    You can also register by calling 1-888-382-1222. If you call you must call from the number you are placing on the list.
  2. out4now

    out4now LawnSite Bronze Member
    from AZ
    Posts: 1,796

    Way ahead of you. What's worse is that the SIP phone apparently has no FCC regulations on it and it can't be traced so they think tlemarketers from overseas will start springing up. LOts of spammers work from outside the country and this would just be a twist on that. A lawyer is just a step above a telemarketer.
  3. GreenQuest Lawn

    GreenQuest Lawn LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 822

    Just heard on the News tonight that the cell phone list was an E-mail hoax. It is illegal to call cell phones for telemarketing.

    Don't worry your cell phone is safe.....for now! :)

    Bogus E-Mail Worries Users
    Originally published Friday, December 10, 2004
    The Washington Post

    WASHINGTON -- The e-mails, often forwarded by friends, vary in wording, but the underlying message is always ominous: Soon, all cell phone numbers will be made public to telemarketing firms. That means, according to one version, that "your cell phone may start ringing off the hook with telemarketers" and your precious, limited cell phone minutes will be eaten up with calls you don't want.

    It's not clear where the e-mails originated, but industry and government officials say they are an urban myth; they are not true. There is no list of cell phone numbers being turned over to telemarketers, and telemarketers are barred from calling cell phone numbers.

    Even so, in the past two weeks, more than 3 million numbers have been added to the government's national do-not-call list, and government officials suspect that the unexpected increase is due to the e-mails that are being passed around like a national game of telephone.
  4. Randy Scott

    Randy Scott LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,915

    Just saw this on the news as well. NO telemarketer can call a cell phone because you would incur subsequent charges. There is in fact FCC laws that prohibit this type of activity.

    I'm sure someday it will happen though.

    F'in media. There should be penaties for these jackoffs. A week ago they're reporting how you'll have to sign up and get on the no call list with your cell phones, now it's a hoax. So basically nobody across the country in the media thought to call or check with the FCC laws. They just report whatever will get them ratings.

    Besides crooked politicians (is there any other kind) I think the media and their BS pisses me off just as much. When the news comes on at night, I turn the station. At least I know for sure Homer and Bart are made up.
  5. tonygreek

    tonygreek LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,439

    if you guys are not aware, telemarketing and cellular industry lobbiests have been all over washington trying to push through a national cell phone directory of sorts. it was recently (late summer i believe) squashed by the senate sub-committee that oversees the industry. the gist of it is that it's a directory put together by all of the major cell companies, with the exception of verizon, that would be just like the good ol' whitepages, and would be used by telemarketers to message you. obviously both parties love the idea given that one gets to sell, and the other gets to receive the messaging fee payments from you, the phone user. talk about a nightmare. i receive approximately 200 pieces of spam per day, so i can't imagine my anger levels if they were all going to my phone. anyway, they kicked it back requiring that end-users opt-in for these targeted messages, so it's not dead yet.
  6. tonygreek

    tonygreek LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,439

    here's a bit more on the cell directory:

    Opt-In Wireless Directory Advances in Senate
    By Roy Mark
    September 23, 2004

    WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Senate Commerce Committee narrowly approved legislation Wednesday intended to protect wireless customers from having their cellular numbers listed without their consent in a proposed national E411 directory.

    Led by the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association (CTIA), five of the country's six largest cellular carriers are planning a wireless directory to be rolled out early next year. According to the CTIA, the program requires consumers to opt-in to the system and there will be no charge to be either listed or unlisted in the directory.

    Despite the CTIA's assurances of privacy protections and an opt-in regime, the committee voted 12-10 to approve the Wireless 411 Privacy Act (S. 1963). Sponsored by Senators Arlen Specter (R-PA) and Barbara Boxer (D-CA), the legislation now goes to the Senate for a full vote.

    "This bill is very, very straightforward. It basically says if there is going to be a wireless directory, then every cell phone user has to approve being listed in that directory," Boxer said.

    Boxer expressed concern about cell phone contracts that currently allow for a customer's number to be listed in a directory. Although the CTIA said new contracts do not have that provision, Boxer questioned the status of existing contracts.

    "[Carriers] say they've seen the light, they have a new contract and new language is now operable. Well and good, but the old contract is still in effect," Boxer said. "If we wait until chaos breaks out, I hate to see what will happen."

    Several senators on the panel, though, questioned the need for federal legislation, saying the intensely competitive wireless industry would not risk losing customers by releasing numbers without consent.

    "There's 180 wireless providers competing in this country and 93 percent of all Americans live in markets with four or more wireless providers," Sen. George Allen (R-VA) said. "[If one company] releases numbers, you just switch to another." At a hearing on the bill Tuesday afternoon, Allen said, "Each customer should have the right to decide if they want to be part of a directory."

    Sen. John Ensign (R-NV) said the legislation was a solution in search of a problem, stressing CTIA's pledge to make the directory opt-in in the first place.

    CTIA President and CEO Steve Largent weighed in after the vote in a prepared statement: "Fire, ready, aim is the approach the Senate Commerce Committee took today on legislating Wireless 411 service. This is a service that has yet to be introduced." At the Wednesday hearing, Largent called the bill needless.

    The Specter-Boxer bill has received the support of both the Consumers Union and AARP. In a recent AARP survey, only five percent of cell phone users over the age of 65 said they would not want their numbers listed in a wireless phone directory. Among all cell phone users, according to AARP, nine out of ten said they consider the lack of a wireless directory a positive.

    "Cell phone subscribers have many incentives to keep their numbers private," David Certner, director of federal affairs for AARP, said in a statement. "Wireless service providers, unlike their landline counterparts, charge for incoming as well as outgoing calls."

    In the House, similar legislation drafted by Rep. Joe Pitts (R-PA) is expected to get a hearing next week in the Energy and Commerce Committee.

    and from The Motley Fool:

    Providers would sell access to the directory to whomever might be interested in getting your number (telemarketers, anyone?). Total estimated revenues: as much as $3 billion per year. And then, of course, there's the revenue to be gained from you, dear Fool. That's right. As a general rule, when someone calls you on your cell phone, it isn't just the caller who pays the piper -- you get to pay for the call as well, whether in "minutes" or in per-minute over-the-limit charges. What's worse, the providers initially wanted inclusion in this directory to be "opt out," so a customer would have to request not to be included -- else, silence would equal consent.

    That's where the Commerce Committee put its collective foot down. The version of Senate bill S. 1963, the "Wireless 411 Privacy Act," that passed yesterday requires any provider who wants to put your number in the directory to get your permission first. In other words: No more opt out; now they have to convince you to opt in.

    Considering that the directory has not even been created yet, the Commerce Committee's opt-in restriction may well kill the idea before it ever gets off the ground. A recent poll conducted by the AARP found that nine out of 10 respondents opposed the idea of a wireless directory, and 95% would refuse to opt in if asked. If the results of that poll can be extrapolated to the general cell-phone-using population, the industry as a whole can expect to reap no more than $150 million per year from the project. That may make creating it no longer worth the effort, to which this Fool says: Good riddance.

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