The Green Guardian seeks 40 lawnsite members...

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by Michael J. Donovan, Nov 21, 2005.

  1. Michael J. Donovan

    Michael J. Donovan Head Moderator, Online Communities Staff Member
    Posts: 3,351

    The Green Guardian seeks 40 lawnsite members with the ability to service ~400 new clients in 2006.

    The Green Guardian announces a major expansion into 40 major markets across the United States for 2006.

    We provide organic alternatives to traditional pesticides and have viable EDIBLE alternatives to traditional broadleaf and annual grass weed killers, insect controls, animal repellants and mosquito repellants.

    In our expansion we are seeking a total of 40 companies to participate in this growth. Your requirement is to produce the revenue that we have booked into your selected market area.

    Yes, you read this right.

    We provide the marketing plus billing, collections, customer service, KWYSF (Knowledge will set you free) proprietary software, turn by turn directions/routing, gps, cell phone, camera (for onsite aid in diagnosing lawn problems), our exclusive EDIBLE fertilizer and pest control products, all the back office work relating to providing the front line customer services.

    If you are interested in learning more call David at 651-646-2900 x108 or email david@greenguardian.us
     
  2. green_mark

    green_mark LawnSite Senior Member
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    To view discussions about this opportunity please visit the "Announcements" link where these are discussed in more detail.
     
  3. Microbe

    Microbe LawnSite Member
    Posts: 172

    Nice.... You said your product was organic.... Why does it contain Synthetic urea?
     
  4. nocutting

    nocutting LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 530

    BECAUSE its a matter of "Opinion", lol,lol,lol. .........at least thats the answer I was Given:dizzy: :blush:
     
  5. green_mark

    green_mark LawnSite Senior Member
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    We have more than one product. We have many products. Yes, some contain "Feed Grade" urea.

    The reason we decided to use "Feed Grade" urea in “some of our products” is because the "Organic" alternatives like "Chilean Nitrate" simply does not fit into our "Edible" ingredients philosophy and is not allowed to be used as an inert as provide by under FIFRA ACT sec (25)b.

    If you carefully look at each of the products in our line you will find all ingredients are on the FIFRA ACT sec (25)b list for active and inert ingredients for minimum risk pesticides.
    http://www.epa.gov/oppbppd1/biopesticides/regtools/25b_list.htm

    What products do not contain “Feed Grade” urea and conform to organic standards?

    Everything Must Go! – Non Selective weed control

    Blistering Defense – Insect Control

    Goose Repel – Small critter repellent

    Skeeter Beater – Mosquito repellent

    Slow Down 5-0-3 “Liquid” N-source is derived from plant proteins.

    Maize Turf 10-0-0 “Granular” Corn Gluten fertilizer

    Green Guardian 5-0-3 “Liquid” (also a selective weed control)

    Which products do contain “Feed Grade” urea?

    Natures Feed 18-0-5 “Liquid Fertilizer”
    Natures Feed 7-0-5 “Liquid Fertilizer”
    The Green Guardian 14-0-5 “Liquid Fertilizer and selective weed control)
    Humic Plus 8-0-5 “Granular Fertilizer” N-source mostly derived from Soymeal
    Blade Runner 12-0-9 “Granular Fertilizer”

    All of these still fit into “OUR FEED GRADE FOCUS”.

    Why do we choose this “FEED GRADE” banner to wave?
    Simply because the word “Organic” has lost it’s luster and intended meaning. Organic has been referenced as the “SAFE” alternative which is simply not accurate.

    The public is aware of this and are not commonly fooled by companies who claim “SAFTEY” as their banner then apply Bat/Horse/Human fecal material.

    My previous profession was as a livestock/crop farmer. I know the benefits of using fecal materials on our crop land. It is my belief that most home owners, while they love farmers and animals, simply don’t desire to have the yard their children play on to contain it or smell like it.

    And a final comment about your post. It is just offensive! I nor anyone who works with our company attempts to inaccurately represent anything we do. We, as you get to know us, will err on the side of over-disclosure, because I don't want you going to a customer with your skirt up!
     
  6. green_mark

    green_mark LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 494

    This is just wrong on so many levels! No one here says or has said that. As you see in our other posts and any conversations you or others would have with me will be as accurate as humanly possible.

    Keep in mind if our client is ignorant it reflects poorly on us.
     
  7. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
    Posts: 1,517

    I thought I would make a few comments on this opportunity that Green Guardian is offering.

    I have been very intrigued by a selective organic weed control product. The product by GG is the only one that makes claims that are remotely compareable to conventional weed control products. I have had some correspondence with them, both on the phone and through e-mail. They have always been professional and willing to answer my questions. I do have some concerns that I feel I should share.

    To begin with we have this offer that seeks 40 Lawn care companies to "produce revenue" that GG books. GG will "We provide the marketing plus billing, collections, customer service, KWYSF (Knowledge will set you free) proprietary software, turn by turn directions/routing, gps, cell phone, camera (for onsite aid in diagnosing lawn problems), our exclusive EDIBLE fertilizer and pest control products, all the back office work relating to providing the front line customer services. "

    This indeed sounds like quite an opportunity, how can you go wrong? Well there is a but. After a long discussion about the exciting products, I was told that there was another requirement. I am sure that any who call GG will be informed about this, but the other requirement is quite a substancial amount of money. So the truth be told, to say "Your requirement is to produce the revenue that we have booked into your selected market area. " is not the whole truth.

    I do not begrudge them protecting themselves from those who might run off or give up quickly, but to me the fee you pay would be for a very large scale advertizing program. That is how I see that.

    I wanted some documentation, some studies that show the effectiveness of the product. I was informed there was nothing available for me to see, but was assured that there were many thousands of happy customers. This may be true, but it does not provide me with enough assurance to spend that much time, money, and my reputation on something I have no experience with, or proof that it works.

    This brings me to my next point: My state requires evidence that a product works as claimed. They will not accept something on the 25b list, but they also want documentation that satisfies them that it does indeed work as advertized. Different states have different rules. If you are considering this opportunity with GG, make sure it is legal to use in your state! I did some digging around only to find out that none of GG's products are curretnly registered. Does this mean they will not be in the future...No. Would I be extreamly disturbed if I fronted a substancial sum of money to them to find out that their products were not registered in my state? You bet! I am frankly disturbed that I was offered the opportunity, and could have sent off money to find out that I may not be able to apply the products this coming Spring. I was informed that without documentation proving the efficacy of a product, it will not be registered. Do your own research.

    "We provide organic alternatives to traditional pesticides" I was also questioning the use of Urea in the products, and was warned that they avoid the use of the term organic as it leads to confusion. I think that is a fair statement, but when you are advertizing products, or investment opportunities using products that you describe as "organic alternatives" you are fostering that confusion.

    I am not saying that the products that GG offer are not effective as I do not know. I hope they work great, and I want to try them to see. If they work as described they could be a wonderful addition to my business. I am prepareing my pricing, products, and plans now for next year. Unfortuneately time has about run out for selling some trial plans using GG products for the coming year. Well, I did feel it was important to share my experience. In any business decison, get all the facts!
     
  8. Buster57

    Buster57 LawnSite Member
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    Are the products OMRI or OTC Certified? If not then there are extreme liabilities stating the products are organic.
     
  9. NattyLawn

    NattyLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,643

    No where does green mark state the products are organic, but "conform to organic standards".

    What are the liabilities if someone has orgnanic product that's not OMRI certified? It's about 100 grand minimum for OMRI just to take a look at your product. It's tough for smaller businesses to shell out the cash to go through the process.
     
  10. nocutting

    nocutting LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 530

    "Its a Good Thing I'm Not A client"
     

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