The Perfect LV Lighting Cable?

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting, Feb 9, 2008.

  1. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    What qaulities would you list if you were to think of the pefect low voltage lighting cable?

    Very Flexible Jacket, no memory effect and easy to install
    Suitable for direct burial
    Sunlight resistant
    Tin Coated copper strands to eliminate oxidation.
    Double jacketed conductors just like Romex
    Inner colour coded jacket on conductors
    90c rated for use indoors and on structures
    Dual coloured outer jacket (Brown and Grey) for excellent hiding in trees.
    Available in sizes from 8/2 through to 14/2.
    Also available as a 10/3 and 12/3 for applications requiring grounding
    Unique shape allowing for a water tight connection to hubs and junction boxes - guaranteed.

    Never heard of such a cable before have you? Well it is now available from Qtran and is called Qwire. Check it out for yourself.

    http://www.q-tran.com/
     
  2. Go Halogen

    Go Halogen LawnSite Member
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    You do not need tin coated wire for most applications.
    It is less conductive when compared to Copper only wire, thus
    greater voltage drop. I only use it in my designs and installs when
    the job is close to the shore. Marine grade wire for marine localities.

    Too many guys get duped into using it all to often.
     
  3. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    In another thread this was discussed at length. I believe the final word was that the differences in conductivity was inconsequential for our applications.

    You have to admit, having a cable rated for direct burial as well as installation on and inside of structures and buildings is pretty remarkable!
     
  4. Go Halogen

    Go Halogen LawnSite Member
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    James,

    It sounds great. I just get urned off when I hear the "tin coated thing".
    CAST has that approach and I have done enough jobs to know that is mostly
    a marketing ploy. I have a couple hundred jobs in the ground (that I personally put in) and other than above ground incidence, the systems are doing well. 11+ years of work and I mostly use Baron copper only wire.

    Do not get me wrong, your description of the new wire sounds awesome.

    Good job!:clapping:

    -Andy
     
  5. pete scalia

    pete scalia LawnSite Senior Member
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    This sounds like one of those shills I was referring to in an other post.
     
  6. pete scalia

    pete scalia LawnSite Senior Member
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    There are no new ideas just a rehashing of the same ole crap that's been available since the dinosaur days. And I like it that way.
     
  7. Go Halogen

    Go Halogen LawnSite Member
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    I do not believe that James would participate in a shill. He is simply introducing a new product. How he heard about about it or who told him really does not matter.

    We all decide what to try and what to believe.

    I think that you just like to use the word "shill".
     
  8. ChampionLS

    ChampionLS LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Very Flexible Jacket, no memory effect and easy to install
    ALL PVC insulation for underground circuit cable is soft
    Suitable for direct burial
    This is a UL 1838 requirement
    Sunlight resistant
    This is a UL 1838 requirement
    Tin Coated copper strands to eliminate oxidation.
    Probably beneficial but not a UL requirement
    Double jacketed conductors just like Romex
    SJT cord!!!
    Inner colour coded jacket on conductors
    SJT cord again.....
    90c rated for use indoors and on structures
    under UL 1838 in the US 105c is standard
    Dual coloured outer jacket (Brown and Grey) for excellent hiding in trees.
    Already available, including white, tan, yellow and green.
    Available in sizes from 8/2 through to 14/2.
    Thats it?? what about 10/3, 16/2, 18/2
    Also available as a 10/3 and 12/3 for applications requiring grounding
    Not needed
    Unique shape allowing for a water tight connection to hubs and junction boxes - guaranteed.
    SJT cord dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Never heard of such a cable before have you? Well it is now available from Qtran and is called Qwire. Check it out for yourself.
    You need to get out more. It's all there.
     
  9. ChampionLS

    ChampionLS LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Now explain to me why you feel Circuit Cable can not be used indoors, if that's what your implying. :confused:
     
  10. irrig8r

    irrig8r LawnSite Platinum Member
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    What is SJT cord? Can you point me toan informational link? Googling it didn't turn up anything especially useful.
     

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