The ZTR somebody should build?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Realslowww, Jun 26, 2012.

  1. Brieldo

    Brieldo LawnSite Member
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    Mick: Couple thoughts.

    1. What's the cost of one of these units?
    2. The speeds are definitely lower than a ZTR.
    3. The drive system looks to be gear/transaxle driven vs. wheel motors. Definitely a different design (far more tractor-like) than ZTR.
     
  2. herler

    herler LawnSite Fanatic
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    We tried this method of improving the lawn mower many years ago and the only thing that came of it was nothing like we had envisioned, kind of like we are thinking cruise control and what came of it was some piece of steel down by the belts but the price of the machines went up by the thousands.

    Now we can only wish they'd make them simple again...
    We're far beyond willing to even try and give any suggestions.

    Just as well off.

    That alone will increase the price of a Z by $500 to a thousand dollars, better off buy that $60 winch and put it on yourself.

    Retail on one we were looking at was $164,000.

    No, LOL No!

    No, there isn't, just ask Auburn Industries.

    Only thing that's going to happen is they put today's 12 thousand mower on tomorrow's market for 25 thousand dollars and the reason I know this is because today's 12 thousand mower is yesterday's 8 thousand dollar machine.

    Same effing machine with three silly $10 changes and one or two things that are all right but still not worth the royal pounding.

    And you are NOT going to want to buy it!
    But you will have no other choice than to EAT it.
     
  3. Realslowww

    Realslowww LawnSite Bronze Member
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    :)
    I was joking when I say flat earther but you are proving my point, read all the posts. We are already 80% of the way there with the Super Hyper.If you read the post's it states
    that a diesel is to heavy for this appt and the mower being gas will eat alot of it but it will make up for it in versitilty and productivity.

    You see the Wamm and all that stuff like that is like big money and not very versitile and hard as hell to fix + expensive.

    I just talked to a Hustler dealer today about this while I was looking at the new Super which by the way is a real built mower.

    He flat out told me and he sales big tractor's as well with cutting attachment's that to cut 15 feet plus of grass at a time with a big tractor rig I would need 80 or 90 HP and said the hole setup for a tractor like this would be 70 or 80 thousand to do it right.

    The biggest problem with the v twin idea is the vibration of a 1200cc + unit not the motor HP #'s at what RPM .Making 50 HP and 70 Ft pounds of torque at a lower RPM should be no problem for a 1200 to 1500 cc V twin engine.

    Hell Harley does it and they don't even know how to build a motor.:laugh:

    You could get the motor out with radiator in the 50 to 60 pounds more range with no problem.You could set a oil lubrication system up to oil all the component's of the motor that could arise from the engine being on the side.

    Just look at the technology used to drive the most sophisticated Jap production motorcycles,they give you a F1 motor for peanut's!

    If there is a call for a motor unit it will be built unless the Illuminati decides to destroy us all. :) and demolish the world economy with their funny money system. :laugh:

    The motors are getting more powerful and a 45 or 50 HP unit arriving shortly on the scene would not surprise me in the least.

    The deck is no problem either my XR7 is fine,this is not a bush hog but a mower that can cut grass at speed quickly that is 2 weeks to a month's worth of growth with no problem.

    I would want this mower to max out at 12MPH and have torque to pull 1200 to 2400 pounds of pull behinds in order to put that stupid Wamm thing on the trailer going to the dump where it belongs!:laugh: just a joke.

    A rear discharge would be the ticket on the deck for this app,just talked to a guy who always's had 72 inch side discharges he bought a new Super Hyper with a 72 RD and he claims it cut's great and the blades last twice as long for him because the unit does not stir sand up near as much and you only sharpen them 1/2 as often.
     
    Last edited: Jun 29, 2012
  4. Realslowww

    Realslowww LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I don't want to give this away but the flat eathers force it out of me,THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AVAILABLE TILL NOW!

    None of the ZTR's had strong enough motors or drive components to make this work.

    Brad the guy I talked to today who sell's the big mowing setup's you know the 70 to 80 thousand $ mower said flat out he cannot believe what I am asking for does not exsist already and that this thing would blow the 70 to 80 thousand $ tractor OUT OF THE WATER for doing what I want. And he admitted the big mowing unit would be obsolete for the most part in most conditions for commercial use.


    And he sells them!

    The mower it self 14 to 15 thousand 5 to 6 thousand for each tow behind of 72 inches.

    For around 25000 you could have an incredibly versitile set up to cut 20 ft of grass in one pass and for 10 to 12000 more you could add 2 more pull behinds and bang out 30 + feet at a time for a grand total of around 35 to 40 grand.
     
  5. Realslowww

    Realslowww LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Have you ever looked at the grass on a interstate over pass,is that steep enough for you? :laugh:
     
  6. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Specs...http://www.ihi-shibaura.com/english/product/golf/sg280a.html

    I have no idea of cost. That vid was made in England Im guessing. I did email Shibaura about it some time ago and they had no plans to bring it to Australia.

    Dont need speed on a slope, you need traction. I think that machine is well fast enough. It says 18km/hr or 11mph in High and 9km/hr or 5mph in low gear in the specs. The guy was mowing faster than 5mph in those vids.

    No, its not a ztr but, its not a high CoG tractor either. 28hp diesel, 2 range 4wd, low CoG would certainly have its advantages and could be used on larger lawns as well.
    I personally think this is a great machine from the looks and specs.

    on edit, Just remembered Shibaura supply the tractor for Hustlers out front.
     
  7. unit28

    unit28 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    just an idea, for rear PTO

    rear pto.JPG
     
  8. Mickhippy

    Mickhippy LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Is that an X595 ot 748 or whatever they are? I loved my 595.
     
  9. unit28

    unit28 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    looks like 700 series
     
  10. 2stroked

    2stroked LawnSite Senior Member
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    Yeah I agree that jd looks like a x700 series
     

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