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To do or not to do???

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by ajslands, May 11, 2010.

  1. ajslands

    ajslands LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,239

    So I was just wondering what your guy's oppinions were for putting that landscape carpet stuff down (the black stuff to prevent weeds) I've talked to some people that say don't put it down and others say put it down. So idk what to do.
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  2. irrig8r

    irrig8r LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,533

    What's that have to do with lighting?
     
  3. klkanders

    klkanders LawnSite Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Posts: 848

    Ya....what Gregg said. There are only a few of us here that do landscaping along with lighting. So to answer your question.......it depends. What material are you putting on top of it? Rock.......angular or round? If round you might be ok with a heavy mil black plastic if limited foot traffic. If angular in shape I would go with the fabric (we use Typar brand) as it doesn't rip as easily but it is more costly. Now if you are putting mulch, bark or similar on top you can use the fabric or nothing. If you use nothing its suggested to use a product like Preen to limit the amount of weeds etc. Mulch, bark or similar will require more maintenance down the road such as weeding and adding material on an annual or every other year basis. Hope that answers your question. Good Luck!
     
  4. ajslands

    ajslands LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,239

    Oh oops! I thought it said agriculture and lighing,

    Mjd or Sean or chuck can you Move it
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  5. terrapro

    terrapro LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,234

    Under mulch a big no no, under or behind rock/stone is a must.
     
  6. David Gretzmier

    David Gretzmier LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,645

    eww- landscaping questions on the lighting forum feels so...dirty. I was never a big fan of landscape fabric, as most guys use it to cover weeds and then cut holes for plants. I can understand it under rocks, as soil will eat rocks over time.
     
  7. 93Chevy

    93Chevy LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 37,806

    Excellent advice. If a customer wants it, I've turned down jobs because I refuse to put it down for mulch.
     
  8. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    Ok I am not a landscaper, but what is the issue with the fabric under mulch. Many of my clients do this across wide swaths of land/bush/forest. I havent seen any bad effects from it.

    Wanting to understand.
     
  9. 93Chevy

    93Chevy LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 37,806

    Basically, it makes weeds even harder than usual to pull. Under river rock, rip rap, or crushed stone, fabric in a must because, like another poster said, the gravel will sink and eventually become consumed by the soil. The fabric acts as a barrier. Additionally, weeds cannot seed on rocks. Of course there will be some silt and sand matter where weeds will germinate, but to a lesser extent, especially is Preen is applied regularly.

    On mulch, weeds are able to seed and germinate in mulch matter. The fabric not only allows the mulch to wash off hillsides quite easily, but the weeds can root in the fabric, thus creating an unpleasant weeding experience.
     
  10. klkanders

    klkanders LawnSite Senior Member
    from Midwest
    Posts: 848

    James,
    Tim is making me feel old. I have been in the landscape industry much longer than he has been living. :) He has made some great points. Try ripping some weed mat out that has been in awhile...the weeds and grass actually love the environement underneath it also. Some gets so heavy its like pulling up large sod pieces! Our guys hate it but it is a better choice under rock. Eventually rock too will capture dirt in between and will need attention but not nearly as much maintenance as mulch is.
     

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