When I was a kid, The reason most guys went into "Landscaping" was because it was the only place they could get away with smoking pot. Fairfield county CT landscaper scene was chock full of long hair mullet/pony tail, scraggy beard losers with wife beaters and shorts. It was the simplest and by far easiest market to compete in, how hard it is to do better work, faster than these guys? I didn't even have to dress up to look better, I just wore T-shirts and Jeans. You really don't see Pot smoking hippies in that business in Fairfield County anymore. But at one time this is what the "lawn boy" looked like. Chewing tobacco? Seriously? Isn't there some dairy farm you guys should be working at? Spitting on peoples property? Geez. Are these all the same guys that are always complaining about people taking their work, and low ballers? I don't think you're losing jobs to low ballers, you are simply losing jobs to people who aren't complete cretins. People who do this have a foul, nasty, disgusting habit. Do you go on people properties and pick your butt? There is no where you should or could go where this throughly unacceptable behavior is welcome. Competing with pot smokers was like taking candy from a baby, I didn't even advertise, I didn't need to people saw me working and ran across the street, or stopped their cars passing my jobs. This is the same kind of ease it is to take work away from tobacco spitters. do that once on anyones property and you're gone, because there are ten other guys who do just as good or better work who won't do that. People WALK on their lawn, they LAY IN their lawn, that's why they PAY to have it maintained in the first place. If they didn't care what you did in/to their lawn, you wouldn't BE getting paid in the first place. I find it interesting how people think if they go into business for themselves that they don't have a boss. That's dumb, you just traded 1 boss for 75 bosses. There person handing you the money is the BOSS. 'Well I can do whatever I want in my own business' true, do you call sitting at home, insisting you're right, waiting for the phone to ring, a business?