Toro z master 23 kubota diesel

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by supernatural, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. supernatural

    supernatural LawnSite Member
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    I've been running exmark lazer Z for a few years and like it but I'm thinking of a new mower. I like the Toro 23hp Kubota diesel with a 60" deck for $10,000. The price is way cheaper than my exmark dealers high prices. Anyways I mulch and stripe all year and am woundering if the 23hp diesel was gong to be enough for me. My exmark had a 27hp kohler wich was ok but I wouldn't want anything with less power. The dealer at first said he couldn't put a striping roller on it because the shaft. He then changed his mind and said I would be able to get an aftermarket roller on there. Anybody have one with striping roller on it, and how does it cut & stripe?
  2. jtkplc

    jtkplc LawnSite Silver Member
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    There was a field test report done on that very mower, 23hp Kubota 60" Toro. They ran it with mulch kits and in side discharge and they said that it had good power and that they couldn't make it work very hard. They did say that it wouldn't have enough power for a 72" deck though.
  3. supernatural

    supernatural LawnSite Member
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    Thanks alot for your help, thats what I wanted to hear. Anybody have anything bad to say about it before I buy it? How about the cut of the deck. Anybody using a striping roller with a z master? I tried one out yesterday it was real smooth, but there is no grass to cut in Minnesota, ha ha.
  4. Willofalltrades

    Willofalltrades LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Haha I have heard reports that the power is just right. I would think you will be happy.
  5. supernatural

    supernatural LawnSite Member
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    Ok I'm sold, thanks for the help guys!!!
  6. mag360

    mag360 LawnSite Silver Member
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    We had a demo for a few days.
    As the Turf issue said, the power is adequate for the 60in deck. My concerns with the machine were the longevity of the gearbox and the fact that you can't pop the blade clutch at a low rpm. You need close to 3/4 throttle otherwise it will stall. I saw this as wear and tear on the clutch.
    Ultra cut deck is beautiful.
  7. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    You are saying that a 23 hp diesel had to be at 3/4 throttle to engage the blades or it would stall the engine. There is something very strange about that because my 28 efi Kohler will engage the blades on a 66" Hustler deck at the lowest throttle setting on the mower and not even make a noticeable change in the rpm's.
  8. supernatural

    supernatural LawnSite Member
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    I only tried it at full throttle. It seemed to take alittle longer to reach top speed than my exmark with 27hp Kohler. But with the 16cc pumps it was alot smoother.
  9. tomo

    tomo LawnSite Senior Member
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    hello, kub 23/60 inch toro593 ,
    the only concern i would have is the 90 degree g/box which redirects the power 4 the deck, durability??? I have the 597 toro with the diahatsu engine ,good machine but not enough power 4 a 72 inch [very similar to the 593/kub machine .

  10. mag360

    mag360 LawnSite Silver Member
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    That was my experience with it. Seemed strange to me too since two of our 61inch machines are 25hp gassers (kohler and kawi) and both will engage the pto at a very low rpm without stalling.

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