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trash pump system pointers....i just used mine for the first time

Discussion in 'Seal Coating Forum' started by nitro121, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. nitro121

    nitro121 LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 380

    I just got my system together and sprayed about 1/3 of my driveway yesterday. I bought LN-11 (gilsonite) from Seaboard out of Md. Had it delivered to my local sherman williams. Anyway....started spraying yesterday (600+ foot driveway) and the product doesn't seem to be going very far.

    I've gone through like 8 5-gallon buckets and only got about 10x150 feet done. The can says 100 sq ft per gallon....so one 5 gallon bucket should have gotten me 10x50. ??? 8 should have gotten me 10 ft x 400...most my driveway right??

    I just realize I might spend about $750 in sealer...and guys were offering to seal my driveway for that (so they must buy in bulk or were going to spray diluted sealer). So can you help w/ my questions if you use a trash pump system.....

    1. Spray seems heavy and not a smooth uniform spray.....should I change tip??

    2. Should I dilute the gilsonite even though it says not to.

    3. Should I just spray faster and let the coating "spread"....or spray every area until totally covered (then it's real thick).

    I'm going to offer AE also and hand spread that for the little driveways I expect to seal. Sealmaster told me to go with AE and stay away from Coal Tar.

    PS...the gilsonite works great...I don't know why it gets a bad rap. Except for the loosers selling diluted stuff.
  2. nitro121

    nitro121 LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 380

    not one piece of advice or tip??

    Here I'll give ya a freebee from the grass biz to get it started.....

    1. Always put a 4-5 foot section of weedeater string in your pocket. That way you don't have to run back to the trailer when you run out of string and only have 30ft of weedeating to go.

    There...now someone throw out some asphalt tips if you could. :)
  3. PROCUT1

    PROCUT1 LawnSite Platinum Member
    from TN
    Posts: 4,909

    Here is a tip.

    Do it right.

    The only people using gilsonite around here are the fly by nighters. Its NOT a sealcoat. Its a colorant.

    It goes 10-15 times as far as a sealcoat. Hence why all the gypsies have those little tanks hidden under tonneau covers. One gallon covers A LOT of ground.

    I would have to see pics of your sprayer to tell you why its not spraying right.

    Youre going through an awful lot of money and trouble to put something down that will be gone in a couple months.

    A lot of guys knock the "trash pump and tote" setup but it works. Thats what I started with. It will spray real sealer with a light sand load.

    Get some real sealer. Spray your drive. And you'll be good to go for a few years
  4. JFGauvreau

    JFGauvreau LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,297

    Ya it would be nice to see some pictures.

    Of course the area you live in is not the same, so the Gilsonite sealer PROCUT is referring is definitely not the same as mine in Canada. It's actually called a cut-back asphalt sealer, and last 2-3 years in the harsh winters of Canada.
  5. nitro121

    nitro121 LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 380

    I'll try to get a picture or video of me spraying my system.

    Procut - I know gilsonite gets a bad rap....and I even had my driveway sprayed...painted.

    But using this without dilution - looks pretty good to me...and the asphalt looks "moisturized" for lack of a better term.

    It even costs more than the AE the company sells. :confused:

    I was also told by my local sealmaster....buy our AE; not coal tar. So I may try the AE....but the gilsonite; applied correctly....looks good to me.

    Also....seaboard said that their AE doesn't need sand. Sound right to you guys?? :dizzy:

    JF - I'll try to get some pics. And mine cans say "top dresser and sealer" or something like that. I'll get a pic of that too.

    Thanks guys!!
  6. PROCUT1

    PROCUT1 LawnSite Platinum Member
    from TN
    Posts: 4,909

    Thats where Im confused with the application.

    It costs more per gallon but the coverage is 10-15 times that of coal tar or AE.
    I will say it seems to be the standard in Canada. Im wondering if its the same material.

    I dont think it is because it wouldnt make sense for it to be the standard for reputable contractors up there, and the same material be the gypsy spray in the states.
  7. JFGauvreau

    JFGauvreau LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,297

    It's a fact that it's not the same, the materiel is sold across Canada, but not the states.

    The problem with our materiel is the gypsies will simply cut it down, they add more solvent to it or more water.

    The sealer looks really shinny and uneven for the first 2 weeks, then its a really nice flat black color. Some other company uses the acrylic, which in 2 days gives an immaculate driveway, over time, the color will change to a blue/gray look and start peeling off.
  8. nitro121

    nitro121 LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 380

    of the product. Next time spray I will take a pic/video.

    gilsonite front.jpg

    gilsonite back.jpg
  9. nitro121

    nitro121 LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 380

    The LN-11 is an asphalt cutback (solvent based) and is sold ready to use.
    The application rate is 100 square feet per gallon.

    We also have available our TE-36 (water based coal tar) and AE-36 (water based asphalt).

    - TE-36 applied at a rate of 100 square feet per gallon
    - AE-36 applied at a rate of 250 square feet per gallon

    Heck, it's cheaper to buy AE...and covers more feet. How's that work??

    But anyway...the gilsonite looks great...my neighbors want it done. I just don't see how it can be that bad??

    One of the guys used to work for the state dept on the road crew...said the gilsonite is best because it's made from asphalt - it's like comparing hand lotion to putting on a latex glove for protection. 6 in 1; 1/2 dozen in the other. But he recommended gilsonite. :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:
  10. JFGauvreau

    JFGauvreau LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,297

    I don't like the part where it says "black glossy surface"

    have any pics of a month old job you did?

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