Tree injection IPM?

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by Nitroman, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. MikeT

    MikeT LawnSite Member
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  2. turf hokie

    turf hokie LawnSite Silver Member
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    What is your target pest on River Birch? on Maple?

    These are trees that dont routinely need to be treated.

    Also, what good could you possible be able to do with one broad spectrum application per year and who advised you of this?

    I dont think you are going to get much more help on pricing as different products have different pricing.

    If you have been using an IPM program for years and have not incorporated soil or tree injections as part of your service, you may not be using an IPM program.

    As was said in another post, mauget and like products are a specialty product, not one that is used as a replacement for oil spray.

    It does sound like you just may be a touch out of your league or at the very least out of your area of expertise with this project.
  3. Nitroman

    Nitroman LawnSite Member
    from indiana
    Posts: 217

    Ok. So let me ask the question this way. You have a client with hundreds of different species. They want a IPM program, it's winter and your pricing it now. I don't have a crystal ball to see what problems are going to come up down the road with each tree or shrub. How do you price the account and what do you tell the customer you are going to do?

    Obviously each species needs a different approach. Different preventative products at different times of year ie crab apple trees.

    If anyone knows where to pick up this crystal ball let me know since I'm such a newb and have no experience.:dizzy:
  4. turf hokie

    turf hokie LawnSite Silver Member
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    Sigh....I REALLY dont want to come off as a smart ass....

    Your original post asked for an IPM program that only included injections and only 1x per year.....that is not an IPM program.

    This is what I tell my potential client, weather it is 10 trees or 1000 trees.

    My IPM program consists of X site visits throughout the year based on GDD and the plant material that is onsite. These site visits include diagnosis and treatment as needed. Your price is X per visit and Y for the year.

    We estimate all the time during the winter because I can identify what type of plant material is on site and the potential problems based on my experience and knowledge of MY area.

    Just because this site is large does not mean it is different than a bunch of average residential houses.

    You have yet to answer a single one of my questions except to tell me that 600 ft of hose wont reach the area of service.

    You have mentioned River Birch, Maple and Crab apple so far, what are your potential problems with each of those trees? That would be a good starting point in putting together a program.

    But since you seem to think we are just giving you a hard time and not answering your questions and you have all the experience you need to do an IPM program except how to ID, diagnose, treat or price....

    Here is my answer: imidicloprid Mauget caps and charge $2 per tree, you should be good....or get a spray rig that will get to your service area and continue with your pseudo IPM spray program.

    Good luck.
  5. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    What is the history of insect problems?
  6. MikeT

    MikeT LawnSite Member
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    Maybe there's some confusion with definitions here, Nitro. Are you referring to a conventional Plant Health Care program that you're trying to price, something that will cover all the bases, or Integrated Pest Management? In either case you would know the target you wish to treat. Did the client ask for an "IPM" treatment plan, thinking that means, "treat my trees," or did you suggest that strategy?
  7. Nitroman

    Nitroman LawnSite Member
    from indiana
    Posts: 217

    Congrats you are a smart ass. I didn't say one per year. I said I read it can be damaging to do more than on injection per year for certain situations. This is a great site but I can't say I'm surprised to ask a question such as what is your preferred method for tree and shrub care(IPM) without being able to spray higher than 10' and the ELITIST come out of the wood work.
  8. turf hokie

    turf hokie LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,744

    Ok, now you have me quoting just about this whole thread, because I just dont think you get it. We have been trying to help but you are not answering any pertinent questions nor are you being clear with what you are asking. It seems you think you are asking and giving information but those thoughts are not making it here. You are looking for a solution and a price for a problem that does not exist.

    yet another question left unanswered, and without some input from you, nobody will be able to help

    Another unanswered question that would be helpful in getting help from us

    I asked the following and did not get an answer
    What is your target pest on River Birch? on Maple?

    These are trees that dont routinely need to be treated.

    No way we can add to the conversation without having this answered first, otherwise we are spitballing at what product you need OR DONT NEED.

  9. americanlawn

    americanlawn LawnSite Fanatic
    from midwest
    Posts: 5,852

    turf hokie makes sense. I can spray trees as tall as 50 feet, but I prefer Mauget for micronutrient defiences.

    Anybody gunna rip me a new one?
  10. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 10,081

    Spraying trees that are indigenous and populous, in a forest setting, as a preventative measure is now currently the biggest rip-off stupidity existing in our business... it even surpasses fertilizing frozen turf...

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