ok, so it seems most guys i talk to swear by not using any fabric under mulch, we always did use it. today, i said screw it, ill try without. we put in 9 yards in a mostly shaded area, so i figured weeds wouldnt be that bad a problem anyway. i didnt even try to sell the customer on weed pulling/maint service. i know some weeds will be popping up, what do u use to get rid of them without damaging shrubbery too?