Under 20k Excavator Whats the Strongest

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by AWJ Services, Aug 31, 2006.

  1. mrusk

    mrusk LawnSite Gold Member
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    All the decent size companies in my area (6-10 employees) run a 4-5k, 120, 150, 200-240, and a 300.

    Matt
     
  2. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
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    All the decent size companies in my area (6-10 employees) run a 4-5k, 120, 150, 200-240, and a 300.

    That is a lot of iron. No one around here runs that heavy with so few employees. The largest excavtion companies don't own anything less than a 210. The smaller residential guys run either a 120, 160 or 210. None have a mini. One guy has three 225's and a 308 he does a mix of residential and heavy commerical. Interesting to see how companies organize themselves around the country.
     
  3. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
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    A company out here (100+ employees) doesn't have an excavator any smaller than a 120 and they only run Hitachi and Deere. I think they have like 8 or 9 120's, (5) 200's, (3) 270's, (1) 370, and a couple 450's.
     
  4. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
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    Most jobs don't require large machines a 200 sized machine can do 90% of the jobs residential or commercial. Even in forestry machines larger than a 350 are not used because of rules and regulations.

    One of the contractors looked into renting a 300 sized machine it was 17,000 dollars a month. I know contractors that have monthly equipment payments up to 100,000 a month.
     
  5. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
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    These guys are doing 20-30 acre developments and they have at least 3-4 developments going on at any given time, not including all of their residential/light commercial work, so they need a big excavator just for loading trucks/scrapers. If they're working on any slope at all, they cut all the roads with a 450 and clean it up with couple scrapers, a D8 and then a D6 pulls a sheepsfoot to compact along the way.
     
  6. LHLAWN

    LHLAWN LawnSite Member
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    any body have kabota excavator, been looking at them , like some input
     
  7. LHLAWN

    LHLAWN LawnSite Member
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    doing mostly water and sewer lines , like the compactness of a 5000 lb but like the reach of a 10000 lb
     
  8. 2004F550

    2004F550 LawnSite Senior Member
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    we run the biggest possible on each job....three 45 ton machines, one 30 tonner, two 25 toners, and the 5 ton bobcat.....can't ever have enough reach and capacity
     
  9. murray83

    murray83 LawnSite Senior Member
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    uncle owned a 650 and a 550 but just sold them.last remember he has about 20 excavators mostly 200's a couple 225's a 330 and a few 450's all hitachi and a couple deere,has a few old cat 235's with breakers.

    the 330 and up mostly are used on municipal water and sewer jobs and mass excavating the 200's are the most usefull to him.

    fav machine is a 305,its big enough to do what i want but small enough to get into an area were most can't nice machine,just wish i myself can afford one and the truck and trailer to haul it with.
     
  10. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
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    Even some of the larger subdivisions put in this area that have 100 lots with each lot ranging from 1 to 2 acres each are done with 200 sized machines.

    Big equipment costs more money there isn't enough work to keep bigger excavators working. The cost of fuel to operate the bigger excavators is a big expense. In reality two 200 sized machines working on a site in two different areas has more production than one 45 ton machine.

    A 45 ton machine rate is well over 300 dollars per hour where as a 200 sized machine is about 200 per hour you have two of them working on the site that extra 100 dollars per hour is made up in faster production.

    At auctions machines in the 16-25 ton range are in demand machines in the 30-40 ton range nobody wants them you can't use them for forestry and for residential construction they are way too big. What ends up happening is they sell cheap for scrap or a gravel pit will buy it for digging out material.

    I have been at auctions where a friggin mini excavator goes for more money than a big machine.

    There will always be residential construction big projects are few far and between.

    Like I meantioned a few times one of the contractors I know had 35-40 ton excavators got rid of them all bought a 8000lb mini he is happier than he can ever be. Says he makes a good living no big headaches to worry about and he is busier than he can ever be. Not worth owning big equipment you never know where your next job is going to be. Your constantly looking for work for a big machine.

    Another guy I know had the same big excavators with employees got rid of it all bought a 160 sized machine no more headaches and makes good money the machine is paid for.

    When you have 100,000 dollar a month equipment payments you need to keep that stuff working. Who in the h*ll wants to deal with that kind of stress. Right now with the dry weather forestry contractors are on fire season which has been longer than normal these contractors have machines sitting idle because they can't work because of the risk of fire. So now you have excavators that have payments of 10 grand a month each sitting not making money is getting expensive. The payments never stop if the machine isn't working the contractor still has to pay for the machine. There is no work for a 30 ton excavator in residential construction so it just sits in the bush waiting for the rain to come.
     

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