Thanks for all the replies. Delphied: Yes, I would like people to tell me my idea will work... But only if it actually will!! I think that's called wishful thinking. I would love to have a stander but cost wise it doesn't match up I can get a 17hp 48" fixed deck wb for 4500 and a velke for 500. Vs a grandstand or wright for 7k min. (all new) I also need the versitlity of a wb or ztr for cleanups; the standers, while they seem to be very efficient, are mowers and that's it. I have heard they both deliver excellent cut and I have toro and wright dealer in my area. Thanks again for the reply.