Ernesto - since my posts offend you - you can always click on my profile, then click on *user List*, then click on *ignore.....* Do you want your job shut down? Do you want your client's mother in law to fall down your steps in the ice? Do you want to lose a job to a contractor because he is going to follow building codes? There are people reading the threads that care about their business and their clients and appreciate advice. you and I are not the only ones here and my posts are intended for the overall audience. I stand behind my words. And I stand behind my words because I know they will stay in the backs of minds and will prompt people to do work the right way. Quote of the week: "If you want to be a pro you have to do work like a pro". Pro's follow building codes.