Watering at night

Discussion in 'Homeowner Assistance Forum' started by scruff33, Apr 19, 2010.

  1. rainbowss

    rainbowss LawnSite Member
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    meh, you are such an idiot.

    With deep roots, the potential to underwater increases. With shallow roots, the potential to overwater increases. That being said, one assumes, like you, that water stays at that level for eternity. MEH! Talk about saving water... NOT

    FYI, when I said peanut gallery, I meant you. Again, I don't understand where you learned your comprehension from.
     
  2. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    WOW! :dizzy: How can one argue against that logic.

    BTW .... my "learned comprehension" includes over 250 units of higher education, an AS degree in Computer Engineering, a BS degree in Soil Science & Hydrology from UCDavis and 3-5 courses from a second BS degree in Applied Plant Biology, also from UCDavis ... which just happens to be one of the top Ag schools in the country, in the event you weren't aware of that fact
     
  3. rainbowss

    rainbowss LawnSite Member
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    No wonder, sometimes one tries sooooooooooo hard to think outside the box and forget what is already inside. :dancing:

    P.S. Like my signature? I made it thinking of you, Sir. :D
     
  4. rainbowss

    rainbowss LawnSite Member
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    Kiril, someone just posted this over at the gardenweb. I thought I would post it for you since this article advocates everything I have stated in this thread.

    http://www.turf.msu.edu/irrigation-practices-to-preserve-water-quality

    Wow, there are still some that think inside the box.

    Goo Michigan State. :cool2:
     
  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Nice .... you are trying to use a dumbed down article for home owners in Michigan as your "proof"? :laugh:
    Really dude, you are seriously arguing with me on this? I have over 15 years field experience scheduling/auditing/renovating irrigation systems and managing soils. Is your name Gerry Miller?


    Those idiotic application rate suggestions by your "article" are ignorant at best. They are so general as to be inaccurate. You might as well state you need to water somewhere between 0 - 2" of water per week .... since that will pretty much cover any scenario in any part of the country for any type of turf and soil during the growing season. :rolleyes:

    Furthermore, to even suggest an irrigation schedule and application rate without knowing the rooting depth (actual,potential,desired), soil type, confining layers, turf type, irrigation water quality, leeching requirements, irrigation system efficiency, environmental conditions, etc...... is ignorant at best.

    Frequent daily irrigation does NOT save water .... in fact, it wastes huge amounts of water ... not only through losses from system inefficiency but also from evaporation.

    FYI .... the practice of syringing, which is what that article is suggesting, is ABSOLUTELY NOT required for residential lawns, or for any low performance turf. This is a practice utilized by high performance turf managers (sports, golf). Is your lawn a putting green? IMO, the authors of this article need a swift kick in the head.

    Bottom line dude .... you need to stop pretending you have a clue here, because you don't.

    But if you want to play the reference game ... here are some for you to NOT understand.


    http://www.water.ca.gov/wateruseefficiency/docs/wucols00.pdf

    http://www.irrisoft.net/downloads/manuals/Landscape Water Management Training Manual.pdf

    http://www.epa.gov/watersense/docs/ws_water_budget_approach508.pdf

    http://ucanr.org/freepubs/docs/8395.pdf


    How about some journal publications?


    http://crop.scijournals.org/cgi/reprint/43/1/282.pdf

    http://crop.scijournals.org/cgi/reprint/42/6/2011.pdf

    http://crop.scijournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/49/3/1063

    http://crop.scijournals.org/cgi/reprint/46/1/81.pdf

    http://agris.fao.org/agris-search/search/display.do?f=./1997/v2317/US9732166.xml;US9732166
     
  6. rainbowss

    rainbowss LawnSite Member
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    Keep at it Kiril, maybe someday you will lose less water.

    Answer this simple question and I will KNEEL before you Kiril.

    Deep watering is done. Lets say for the sake of argument, that it is efficient enough for the numerous types of soil or what not and reached the deep roots.

    Now, the outside temp gets very hot. >80F

    Leaves lost most of their water due to transpiration.

    Now, here is the awesome part. Roots cannot keep up with the water being lost and hence the plant just wilts and withers away. yay

    All that deep watering for nothing.

    Disprove this, and you are my idol for life.

    IF you cannot disprove this, DO NOT bother responding as I see no use in arguing with you anymore.

    P.S. Those Michigan guys are not your regular forum running maniacs. I searched who they were and they are what I would refer to as experts in the field... exactly the opposite of you.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2010
  7. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Oh I see .... not enough references for you? What's the matter dude .... can't understand what is being said in those references? :laugh:

    First .... there is no such thing as "efficient enough for numerous types of soils" ... that alone is an enormously ignorant statement.
    Second, define "deep watering" .... deep watering with respect what? How deep is deep?

    Average summer temps in my region are between 90-100 degrees with NO rain inputs and practically no humidity. It is essentially a desert in the summer. Is that hot enough for you?

    "Most of their water"? What are the other mechanisms of loss?

    Wow dude ... you really don't have a clue here ... do you? If the water is being lost ... then the roots are "keeping up" ...... right? How exactly is this water being lost if the roots aren't "keeping up"? This is a prime example of how you don't even have a rudimentary understanding of what you are talking about.

    What is your LAI? What is your root:shoot? What is your root density per unit volume of soil? What is your soils ..... water holding capacity, current matric potential & water status, hydraulic conductivity?

    Bullshiit ... Roots cannot grow without water. No water = no roots. Tell me .... how do you encourage deep rooting without providing water? How do you build a soil without providing water? How do you leech salts without watering beyond the current root zone?

    Disprove what dude? You are talking in circles. There isn't a qualified person on this planet who is going to state that a deep rooted turf is less drought resistant than a shallow rooted turf. Furthermore ..... we haven't even touched on other factors .... like nutrients.

    I don't give a flying rats ass who they are ... that article give piss poor advice and their attempt to dumb it down so people like you could understand failed miserable.
     
  8. rainbowss

    rainbowss LawnSite Member
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    For fun, I read through your journal publications. My daily dose of comedy has been fulfilled and it is only noon.

    First, any fool knows the higher you mow, water loss is less due to the dense grass. Most of the publications seem to be arguing this simple context. However, they fail to test higher grass height with shallow roots. FOOLS.

    Second, I haven't seen one of the publications site the time of day when they watered!?!? I really can't consider anything scientific about these publications.

    Maybe they were meant for the Playboy magazine? :hammerhead:

    Okay, I was willing to entertain your side but it just fails miserably.

    I will just walk away. :walking:

    :waving:
     
  9. rainbowss

    rainbowss LawnSite Member
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    It all gets down to the Height of the grass. Frequent watering will not only save water but will get one the green that they want.

    Try this, cut the amount of water you use when you deep water in half. The results in your grass WILL be the same. Why? because in your case, it is the height of the grass. And I bet it is at least 3.5inches.

    Think about it. Do you drink 8 glasses of water in the morning and no water for the rest of the week? Of course, plant systems are much more simpler, but the concept is the same.

    Deep watering not only takes away the nutrients of the plant, but it is slowly killing it in the long term. Keep it replenished with those $500 yearly fertilizers.

    ta ta
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2010
  10. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 18,298

    ROFL ... I think not.

    Wrong ... there is more water loss as cut height and density increases. Mowing your turf higher increases drought resistance ... not water savings.

    Really .... provide the quotes.

    WOW .... you took all of 1 hour to make this determination? You couldn't even make it though one of the references in that amount of time, let alone all of them. :laugh:
     

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