If you think about it, as i read more and more post on here. The guys that cut before us most likely charged more for the same yard. And we come along over the years and bid lower and lower to get that same account. Speaking for myself. I am new and building a customer base for a good future in this business. I was told to bid by a company owner i met with 3 crews to bid at$60 hr. My previous job i made $20hr/$40k yr. So i bid $50-$60 an hour, which i think is fair. The problem is most of the guys doing lawns here want to charge $75-$100 an hour. This making me a low-baller. What's your opinion on this? Is it just me or are alot of us in the same boat? If i low-ball you, and then some one low-balls me. Me being the low-baller. What does that make the last guy? I've learned alot this year,and by the grace of God i made it though the winter. NEWBIES SAVE FOR THE WINTER! Thats the hardest part about this business,the 4-5 months with little or no pay. I love what i do and next winter will be a vacation next to this one. And hopefully i can get some new equipment this year too. What kind of equipment did you start out with.lol I pull a 5x8 trailer with racks with my car. Have a troybilt edge with all the attachments. A cheap pro trimmer i bought on ebay for $23 shipping included.lol And a 1997 jd stx38 13hp kolher. Before summer a cable guy asked me if i want to buy a 2000 toro wb for $350. yep! It's worth $700. It cuts great,but the rider was easier being 45 and it got to 100+ this summer.This year hope to buy a commercial rider 42" that will cut all my accounts. ONLY BUY COMMERCIAL OR IT BRAKES DOWN EVERY COUPLE WEEKS! Later buying a truck. The car doesn't cut the grass, most people want the help my business so i can buy a truck. They have told me this alot.Everything is paid for. And my gas is only $70+ a week for car,and equipment. No payments.And i kind of like all the space to put tools and things. Well thats my story, any comments?